Groo Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Forgive me if I sound a little ignorant here (that's because I am). I'm curious about non 4/4 time signatures. What Wilco/Uncle Tupelo songs are not in standard 4/4? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ginandcigarettes Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Forgive me if I sound a little ignorant here (that's because I am). I'm curious about non 4/4 time signatures. What Wilco/Uncle Tupelo songs are not in standard 4/4? Remember the Mountain Bed -- 6/8It's Just That Simple -- 3/4One By One -- 6/8 The chorus in Far, Far Away is in 3/4Why Would You Wanna Live's chorus is in 3/4The chorus in More Like the Moon is in 3/4The piano solo in Pieholden Suite is in 6/8At the end of the baritone guitar solo in Secret of the Sea there's a bar of 3/4 I might call Joe Dimaggio's Done it Again 2/2 (cut time) That's all I can think of right now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jhc Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 The piano solo in Pieholden Suite is in 6/8 First verse in Pieholden is also 6/8 Would Hoodoo Voodoo also count as 2/2? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gobias Industries Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 It could be a really fast 4/4. That doesn't make much of a difference. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
a.miller Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Would 6/8 be counted as 1 + 2 + 3 +, 1 + 2 + 3 +....? Time sigs were never my strong point...or dancing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gogo Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 You could think of it as 1-and-a 2-and-a, 1-and-a 2-and-a, so the emphasis is on two beats. Like two sets of triplets. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OOO Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Is "What Light?" in 3/4 or am i making that up? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ginandcigarettes Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Is "What Light?" in 3/4 or am i making that up? I'd call it 6/8 I generally think of 6/8 as a three in two feel = BOOM uh uh CHICK uh uh BOOM uh uh CHICK uh uh Whereas 3/4 is more three in one = BOOM chick chick BOOM chick chick That might be more confusing than helpful. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BolivarBaLues Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 Coltrane's Classic Quartet could swing like no others in 6/8. You can hear their influence in rock on things like the verse of the Allman's "Whipping Post." It seems like 3/4 is more common in rock and country, and 6/8 is more common in jazz, though there certainly are exceptions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ginandcigarettes Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 I forgot the Unwelcome Guest (though this might count as a Billy Bragg song) = 3/4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Speed Racer Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 The chorus in More Like the Moon is in 3/4 Sounds more like 6/8 to me... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ginandcigarettes Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 Sounds more like 6/8 to me... Yeah, this could be more a matter of convention or whatever makes it easiest to think about. To be clear, I said More Like the Moon's chorus, but that's a mistake. It's really the 4 (or 2 depending on who wins this argument) bars that happen after the line "Why don't you come to me now, Know who you are". I think I said 3/4 because the drums play [KICK snare snare KICK snare snare], which seems like (though by no means demands) a 3/4 feel. I would expect (though by no means is it metaphysically necessary) that a 6/8 beat would be more like [KICK hat hat SNARE hat hat], which is the beat of Remember the Mountain Bed. Anyway, it hard to tell because when it switches time it doesn't carry over the same value for a eighth note or a quarter note (the time between beats in the 3/4 or 6/8 part is not the same as the length of a quarter note or eighth note in the 4/4 part) but carries over the feel from the quarter note triplet that was in the melody and organ line (so that the length of a beat in the 3/4 or 6/8 part is the same as the length of a quarter note triplet in the 4/4 part). This is unlike Far Far Away where the quater note retains the same value in the 4/4 and 3/4 parts. This makes me hopelessly confused. Of course, because of this, it might be just as helpful to think of the time signature as staying constant (4/4) but everyone is playing quarter note triplets. Still, it's a cool part, no? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jhc Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 Of course, because of this, it might be just as helpful to think of the time signature as staying constant (4/4) but everyone is playing quarter note triplets. Interesting way to think about it. I agree that it's a 3/4 feel. Compare with Pieholden Suite - the first verse is a little ambiguous - could either be 3/4 or 6/8. But the piano interlude part definite has a "ONE two three FOUR five six" feel. More Like the Moon has a "ONE two three" feel. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sFolk Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 Far, Far Away alternates between 4/4 and 3/4. Also, what the heck is going on with the rhythm from Hey Chicken (Loose Fur)? It seems to change or break down in a couple of spots--or maybe I just get confused at the changes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kalle Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 (edited) I believe "Apostolic" is in 5/4 but I could be wrong. Edited July 31, 2006 by Kalle Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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