bobbob1313 Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 I knew this would happen,we all look like assholes now.Some smell better than others,some might be a little larger,but at the end of the day they all serve the same purpose. I talked to Jeff about it. We're cool. Link to post Share on other sites
oceanman Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 I agree with you Earl,but just imagine how he might feel,long time fans turning on him at a drop of a hat.I think it reflects back on our community in a negative way,espicially from an outsiders veiw...................Wilco sucks,yeah,even their fans agree. Link to post Share on other sites
Bhickman Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 I hope Jeff remembers who was defending him. We're the real heroes. amen to that. Link to post Share on other sites
Thanatos Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 "It saddens me that these people seem to believe that the VW campaign will somehow affect Wilco's future activities or Jeff's commitment to his songwriting. From the outcries I Link to post Share on other sites
honestgabe Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 That was a great response. But yeah, like I said before. Throw your laundry in the washer and set it to ss...fuggedaboutit. Link to post Share on other sites
Bhickman Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 If you're upset about Wilco's songs being used in a commercial, turn it around and ask the question: why am I watching commercial TV? Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 Just imagine a world in which used car dealers took up guitars and abused us with their Link to post Share on other sites
SarahC Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 If you're upset about Wilco's songs being used in a commercial, turn it around and ask the question: why am I watching commercial TV?good point. why does it matter where people hear the music. the real point of the whole thing is just that they are hearing it in the first place, and if some like what they hear YIPEE! very cool blog entry. the jeff's a nazi thing made me laugh... Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 I knew this would happen,we all look like assholes now.Some smell better than others,some might be a little larger,but at the end of the day they all serve the same purpose. Well, it does bother some people to see a band they adore allowing their music to be used to sell cars or whatever. It just rubs some people the wrong way - I figure if you did a google© search - you would find many rants against or making fun of bands that do this sort of thing. It's not unexpected. I am more surprised that so many people are not bothered by it actually. I agree that some of the stuff in that thread got off track and went somewhere I don't agree with - but at least it showed passion. Link to post Share on other sites
moxiebean Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 For better or worse, commercial TV has become one of the few public forums where you'll occasionally hear snippets of good music. The radio? not so much. Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 "It saddens me that these people seem to believe that the VW campaign will somehow affect Wilco's future activities or Jeff's commitment to his songwriting. From the outcries I Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 I knew this would happen,we all look like assholes now.Some smell better than others,some might be a little larger,but at the end of the day they all serve the same purpose.Not trying to add any fuel to the fire (if that's what it is, even) but I don't think that a few (too many?) posts from a few select folks reflect the board's collective attitude. People that read the board should be able to sift through the noise. I'd hope so, at least. I've got no problem with dissenting opinion but some of the stuff in that thread was ridiculous and it probably should have been shut down sooner because it was an ugly wheel of "debate" that pretty much went nowhere. Link to post Share on other sites
oceanman Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 Aman,I can see how you might feel that passion played a large roll in this controversy,but when is it just too much?I for one can say I am guilty of acting on passion,and that my passion can easily turn into agression.I just remember when I was younger,going to Phish shows and seeing how neggative people were to the bands music,yet going to every show on tour.Not that Wilco has that knid of fanbase,but what if it did,I bet it would look very much the same. Link to post Share on other sites
PotKettleTug Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 Aman,I can see how you might feel that passion played a large roll in this controversy,but when is it just too much?I for one can say I am guilty of acting on passion,and that my passion can easily turn into agression.I just remember when I was younger,going to Phish shows and seeing how neggative people were to the bands music,yet going to every show on tour.Not that Wilco has that knid of fanbase,but what if it did,I bet it would look very much the same. I'm been Phish fan for sometime as well and know the negativity you speak of. I noticed that more with Phish fans than any other band on how negative people are not only about the music the band plays but other peoples opinions right down to other music they listen to or how many shows they have seen. I was usually happy to be there and unless it was just an obvious f-up I either didn't notice it or didn't care. I probably over analyze art and music as much as the next guy, I think in my old age (32) I've started to figure out it just takes away from my enjoyment of the music so let the cards fall where they may. Ultimately it's their music and I personally can't help but like it supposedly sell out or no. It would take a lot more than a commercial or a soundtrack to make me give it up. Link to post Share on other sites
noyes Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 I have yet to see or hear any of these commercials so as far as I am concerned the entire issue is bullshit (it is bullshit anyway....) LouieB i agree with you wholeheartedly.big. deal. people are taking it way too seriously.just enjoy the band who write songs you love. i can't stress that enough. it's baffling. Link to post Share on other sites
PotKettleTug Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 i agree with you wholeheartedly.big. deal. people are taking it way too seriously.just enjoy the band who write songs you love. i can't stress that enough. it's baffling. honestly what percentage of people but die hard fans really know it's a Wilco song in the first place?I haven't heard any of the douche's I work with saying "Hey that catchy Wilco song on that VW commercial is hot. They should play American Idol sometime." So I think the integrity of the band is probably safe. Link to post Share on other sites
noyes Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 exactly! haha.my point exactly. it's not like it's gonna spawn a whole slew of idiot fans.most wilco fans are wilco fans because they love the music, not because of any commercialism it may be concerned with. Link to post Share on other sites
bwhite0421 Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 question: why do wilco and its' members make music? because that is what they love to do and it beats working for the railroad/chicken factory/DMV (not that there's anything wrong with that) Question: what will allow them to continue making music? making money fom the music cheers, b Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 Excellent point - would Jeff's brother in law care to respond? His point was that they didn't cheapen the meaning of the song by applying a lyric to something that has only a tangental relationship to it. I think the distinction he was making was that using "She's a Jar" to refer to a jar of mayonaisse changes the meaning of a specific lyric, whereas showing someone listening to "The Thanks I Get" on the radio doesn't. Link to post Share on other sites
j4lackey Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 Bottom line for me is that hearing Wilco's music in a national car ad makes me not feel so crazy for liking them, since not a lot of people in my life like them all that much. Justified! Link to post Share on other sites
Thanatos Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 I knew this would happen,we all look like assholes now.Some smell better than others,some might be a little larger,but at the end of the day they all serve the same purpose. Apart from some particularly ill-conceived and rather nasty remarks (fascist sympathizers? ) by a few people, I thought it was a healthy debate dealing not only with Wilco and the ad in question, but also the relationship between art and commerce. Also, I can't say for sure, but I'd be willing to bet that Jeff & the boys would rather have their fans voice their honest opinion (whatever it may be) instead of just blindly applauding everything they do without question. Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 His point was that they didn't cheapen the meaning of the song by applying a lyric to something that has only a tangental relationship to it. I think the distinction he was making was that using "She's a Jar" to refer to a jar of mayonaisse changes the meaning of a specific lyric, whereas showing someone listening to "The Thanks I Get" on the radio doesn't. With all due respect - what does a sort of, love gone sour song have to do with a car being towed or the selling thereof? One could also interpret the lyrics as the tow truck driver falling in love with the car's styling - changing the original intent of the lyric - no? Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 Right, it has nothing to do with the product it's selling. That was the whole point. It's just a song that happens to be on the radio while the action in the commercial is going down. Whereas if "She's a Jar" is playing over images of a jar, the song seems to be about the product itself rather than what it's actually about. I think the Volkswagon equivalent to using "She's a Jar" for mayonnaise would be "Cars Can't Escape". Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted June 1, 2007 Share Posted June 1, 2007 Bottom line for me is that hearing Wilco's music in a national car ad makes me not feel so crazy for liking them, since not a lot of people in my life like them all that much. Justified! Do you really need your love for the band to be justified by the masses? Link to post Share on other sites
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