bobbob1313 Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 I might be wrong, but I think you may have misread lizish's original post. I read this as "Rap haters - you don't get rap." Ah, ok. That makes sense, though in my defense, it is a painfully vague post. My bad, sorry for stirring the shit. Blaspheme: "War Pigs" is the best hard rock song of all time, doubly so if I've been drinking shitty light beer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jff Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Yeah, punk is defined rather differently amongst different groups. But not as broadly as cool. I don't know, I just figured you had something in mind when you used that word. I guess not. I guess I just think this: Is more punk than this: The Clash appear to be wearing a goofy uniform because it's what they think they're supposed to do, while ZZ Top looks like they're wearing a goofy uniform because that's who they are. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CortezTheKiller Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 besides a a few songs per record in the mid to late 70's and the rare song throughout the 80's & 90's here and there, the Rolling Stones studio output post 1972 has sucked ass for the most partBeggar's through Exile marks the absolute pinnacle of The Stones career/catalog. However, while not as good as the aforementioned run, Goat's Head Soup, It's Only Rock and Roll, Black and Blue, Some Girls, Tattoo You, and Voodoo Lounge are all far from "sucking ass." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 i've never heard a good radiohead album, only a few good radiohead songs. bonus: whomever thought the world needed a thom yorke solo album should be forever barred from the record industry. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
W(TF) Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 i consider the clash more of a loud folk band than a punk band That's a great observation. The Clash were definitely genre-busters, if not outright what they call a "crossover" success. In a similar/related vein, Dylan's first few records were maybe the first manifestations of the punk spirit. But he was too far ahead of the curve for it to be categorized "properly". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mjpuczko Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 dylan's performance of 'it's all over now baby blue' at newport '65 was the first punk rock moment. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lizish Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Folk Dylan > Rock Dylan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mjpuczko Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Folk Dylan > Rock Dylan i love both dylan's but i prefer the rock dylan. the live 75 disc is probably my favorite disc (live or studio) from him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
W(TF) Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 dylan's performance of 'it's all over now baby blue' at newport '65 was the first punk rock moment. I would have said something earlier off Freewheelin'...like Masters Of War. But definitely plugging in at Newport '65 was his ballsiest move. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
W(TF) Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Folk Dylan --> Rock Dylan Fixed for ya. To me it's the metamorphosis that's really fun to watch. I wasn't there but at least it was well documented on film. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Oil Can Boyd Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 i consider the clash more of a loud folk band than a punk bandThe first Big Audio Dynamite album is better than most Clash albums. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Griddles Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 i hate 99% of indie rockAs well as 99% of indie people Recent John Prine > Recent Bob Dylan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CortezTheKiller Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 As well as 99% of indie people Recent John Prine > Recent Bob DylanRecent being Fair & Square versus Modern Times? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
remphish1 Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Matthew Sweet is one of the most important pop singer/songwritter of our time! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DAngerer09 Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Andrew Bird is one of the most underrated/underappreciated musicians ever. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vacant Horizon Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Matthew Sweet is one of the most important pop singer/songwritter of our time! Matthew Sweet has yet to put out anything as inspired as the first half of Girlfriend. What happened? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PopTodd Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 While parts of it are good, the VU song "Sister Ray" is mostly unlistenable noise. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
remphish1 Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Matthew Sweet has yet to put out anything as inspired as the first half of Girlfriend. What happened? 100% Fun and Blue Skies was pure pop genius! I liked in reverse too! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Griddles Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Recent being Fair & Square versus Modern TimesYep! Ben Folds solo is nothing compared to Ben Folds Five. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
remphish1 Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Yep! Ben Folds solo is nothing compared to Ben Folds Five. This can be interpreted either way? I say Ben Folds Five is multiple times better than solo...hope that what you are sayin? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
solace Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Beggar's through Exile marks the absolute pinnacle of The Stones career/catalog. However, while not as good as the aforementioned run, Goat's Head Soup, It's Only Rock and Roll, Black and Blue, Some Girls, Tattoo You, and Voodoo Lounge are all far from "sucking ass." Some Girls and parts of Tattoo You, i'd agree those albums don't suck ass (i was saying for the most part, at least compared to their 60's and early 70's output). but there's only a handful of songs i consider great between Goats, IORAR and B&B. and Voodoo Lounge suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks/ed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rusty Shackleford Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 While parts of it are good, the VU song "Sister Ray" is mostly unlistenable noise. This is true. Also, "The Velvet Underground" (1968) is VU's best album. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DAngerer09 Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Ben Folds solo is nothing compared to Ben Folds Five. Yeah, I agree. BFF were 10 times better. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 "Oh Sweet Nothing" is by far the best song VU ever did. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CortezTheKiller Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Some Girls and parts of Tattoo You, i'd agree those albums don't suck ass (i was saying for the most part, at least compared to their 60's and early 70's output). but there's only a handful of songs i consider great between Goats, IORAR and B&B. and Voodoo Lounge suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks/ed.If you're going to hold every album up to the standard of the late 60's/early 70's output of The Stones, those albums are fucked. I'm sorry you fell that way about VL. Is there a middle ground between having a handful of great songs and sucking ass? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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