Duck-Billed Catechist Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Anyone remember when Bobby Jenks tied the MLB record for consecutive batters retired? Yeah... Link to post Share on other sites
The High Heat Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 " Matsuzaka is quoted as saying in a recently published article on the Japanese website Allatanys. "The only reason why I managed to win games during the first and second years [in the United States] was because I used the savings of the shoulder I built up in Japan. Since I came to the Major Leagues, I couldn't train in my own way, so now I've lost all those savings." Doesn't Matsuzaka know that losing those savings is the American way? Link to post Share on other sites
The High Heat Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 The Big Unit's shoulder injury is worse than thought, but surgery should be avoided. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 If the Marlins win tonight and col and SF lose, we'll be a game ack in the wild card. I swear, if we don't add a piece or if we trade Ross, I'll be unbelievably pissed. Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 What if you trade Ross in order to add a piece? Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 What if you trade Ross in order to add a piece? it had better be a damn good piece. One thing I was hearing yesterday from a guy who works at foxsports was that the reds, marlins and Yankees were discussing a three way deal where we give up hermida and Ross and get aurthur Rhodes, 'a bat' and prospects. That would not fly for me unless we're talking a pretty substantial bat. And I can't see anyone on the Yankees or reds that makes much sense for us as a clear improvement over Ross and hermida that is also cost effective. I know we wanted melky cabrera a few years back, but if that's the bat I would be utterly dissapointed. Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted July 29, 2009 Author Share Posted July 29, 2009 Cliff Lee reportedly traded to the Philshttp://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9866900/Sources:-Phils-reach-agreement-for-Indians%27-Lee Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 While it's obviously a good pickup for the phillies, I'd be a bit wary of him in citizens bank. His success over the past two years has been the result of inducing more grounders and keeping the ball in the yard, the latter point was greatly helped by his home park, which has been one of the worst to hit home runs in. Now he's moving to a launching pad. If his HR/9 goes up to closer to 1, he's no longer an ace, but is merely a very good pitcher. Link to post Share on other sites
Gobias Industries Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Why? The Indians don't seem to be getting a lot of out it, and an already lackluster pitching staff just got a WHOLE lot worse. Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted July 29, 2009 Author Share Posted July 29, 2009 Why? The Indians don't seem to be getting a lot of out it, and an already lackluster pitching staff just got a WHOLE lot worse.Most things I have read suggest that they got quite a package of prospects--just a notch or so lower than what the Phils were offering for Halladay. Link to post Share on other sites
jenbobblehead Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Did I hear last night that Mark Kotsay was traded for Brian Anderson? Do I have that right? Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 Most things I have read suggest that they got quite a package of prospects--just a notch or so lower than what the Phils were offering for Halladay. they didn't get drabek, though I don't get why he's so untouchable. They got 4 of their top 10 prospects, which is a good haul, but halladay was going to fetch more. Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted July 29, 2009 Author Share Posted July 29, 2009 Did I hear last night that Mark Kotsay was traded for Brian Anderson? Do I have that right?Yes'm. Link to post Share on other sites
jenbobblehead Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 I like Mark Kotsay, but Kate loves that Brian Anderson. so, I guess its even steven? Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted July 29, 2009 Share Posted July 29, 2009 I like Mark Kotsay, but Kate loves that Brian Anderson. so, I guess its even steven?Yep. They both suck. Link to post Share on other sites
The High Heat Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Most things I have read suggest that they got quite a package of prospects--just a notch or so lower than what the Phils were offering for Halladay. Each one of the four prospects the Phillies gave up were more highly regarded last year. RHP Carrasco is having a horrible year with an ERA over 5.00; RHP Knapp is currently being held back with "arm discomfort," meaning they are babying him to keep his innings down (He does still throw in the mid-90's, though.); SS Donald played well in the lower minors, but is striking out more this year, maybe because of his recovery from knee surgery is not complete; and Marson was projected to comptete for the Phils' starting C job this year, but has hit only 1 HR in AAA so far this year. Yes, these prospects were in the Phils' top ten, but each have more question marks than they did a year ago and not one of them was the number one prospect for Philly. Lee is the reigning Cy Young winner with an ERA of 3.14 in the AL. His 7-9 record is not a reflection of his pitching, rather it's a reflection of an awful Cleveland Indians team. Cleveland probably needed to trade Lee and some others, but with Lee making only $9M next year, plus throwing in a valuable reserve outfielder - something the Phils needed badly - the Tribe should have gotten better prospects with less risks.Time always tells how a trade works out, but in the here-and-now, Cleveland settled for less. For the record, my favorite teams are the Orioles and the Phillies. Thank you, Mark Shapiro. Link to post Share on other sites
Gobias Industries Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 I am not happy with the Indians organization. I know Shapiro is a smart and good GM, but he's given very few pieces to work with and even less money to do it with. So in a way it starts with the ownership (unwilling to spend some). The Indians are constantly getting the short shrift and can't be competitive if this continues. I know that we're a smaller market team and we can't afford to spend like the Yankees or the BoSox, but I get the feeling that we're running into the Pittsburgh Pirates problem: trading away players when they finally fulfill their potential and become great. First CC, and now Cliff Lee. If only this year we had a lock on the Cy Young again, we could then trade that player next year before the deadline. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 David ortiz failed a drug test in 03, according to espn. Uhoh. Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Yeah, I saw "Last post: A minute ago by: bobbob1313" and said 'fuck, he saw it.'Whatever - my thing is as always: assume everyone in the past twenty years has juiced, and you'll never be disappointed. Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 David ortiz failed a drug test in 03, according to espn. Uhoh. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4366335 Link to post Share on other sites
Oil Can Boyd Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 David ortiz failed a drug test in 03, according to espn. Uhoh.NY Times article is here. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Just as with arod, I think it's absolute bullshit that his name came out. Someone is obviously trying to milk this story. Release the whole fucking list. I'm not even a little bit surprised, though. Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 The only name I'd ever imagine being surprised to see linked to PEDs is Julio Lugo. Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Just as with arod, I think it's absolute bullshit that his name came out. Someone is obviously trying to milk this story. Release the whole fucking list. I'm not even a little bit surprised, though.As you say, someone is trying to milk the story. The Times gets a reliable ratings boost every time they leak a name, so they're not going to release the whole list any time soon, and the list is sealed by court order, so neither the government nor MLB is going to just release the list. One of the doctors I worked with in Providence thought Ortiz was juicing when he kept having knee problems and heartbeat irregularity in 06. Looks like he was on to something. Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 I like people who say they would be surprised if Ken Griffey and Derek jeter came out as users, and that's it. Yes, very surprising that ultra competitive people with millions of dollars on the line would do whatever they reasonably could to improve. There is literally nobody I would be surprised about. And yes, I know. Some people don't like the health effects and all that, but whatever. On the whole, the incentive to take was so great that I'm not going to be shocked or outraged that anyone tool it. People have been trying to get a leg up however they could as longas the game has existed. Technology and resources finally caught up with their motivation in the 90's. Link to post Share on other sites
Recommended Posts