caliber66 Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Should have been more clear. It was in an airport restaurant/bar thing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hwllo Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 I started at UVA the year before Under the Table and Dreaming came out. I can still listen to that one, Remember Two Things and Recently, although I really don't listen to DMB very often at all. No question they are a hugely talented group of musicians - I don't know how anyone who has listened to their music can disagree - and I had a great time the couple live shows I saw them play, but I kind of hate how they seem to have to make every song like so epic, man (this is probably an over-generalization). For example, I was in the Houston airport recently for a layover, and as I was sitting there eating my gigantic corn dog (which was awesome, btw), some live version of "Warehouse," which has always been one of my favorite DMB songs, came over the PA. While the song itself was fine, it seemed like it took them forty minutes of false starts and other BS to get there. I got sick of the song before it even started. And yeah, while I think the average DMB fan is kind of a douchebag, I'm not going to blame the band for that. There are plenty of people who like Wilco that I wouldn't want to hang out with. i agree completely, i used to listen to them, but haven't for a few years. The epic thing is spot on. Every song, even quiet ones, either have to huge build up live, or Dave starts screaming during it to give it more "energy" That's fine for some songs, but it can be a bit draining to listen to. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sureshot Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 The most intriguing part of this fest is the location; the former Southworks on the now depressed southeast side. For that alone I would go, but certainly not for Dave Mathews himself. LouieB Agreed, its an interesting choice. This is a great synopsis of what was/is.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Speed Racer Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 i agree completely, i used to listen to them, but haven't for a few years. The epic thing is spot on. Every song, even quiet ones, either have to huge build up live, or Dave starts screaming during it to give it more "energy" That's fine for some songs, but it can be a bit draining to listen to. Reminds me of another band... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
u2roolz Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Laminated Nap, if Dave Matthews threw his support behind a political candidate that you were going to vote for............................WHAT WOULD YOU SAY?!?! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Magnetized Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 I don't think there's any question of DMB's political affiliation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Agreed, its an interesting choice. This is a great synopsis of what was/is..Thanks for posting this. this raises my opinion of DM considerably, plus the line-up is worthy of support even if you split before he and his alleged frat boy fans come on. Lollapalooza is on the lakefront and alot of the other fests, including Pfork are not that far from where the majority of the hipster/hippies of Chicago live. But this site is a pretty good haul from all of that and certainly in areas were are in need of some economic development. If you see the Chicago stuff to do thread I have often suggested a trip down this way to see the "real" Chicago. The southeast side looks like what you would imagine Chicago looked like in the first half of the 20th century and certainly what the rust belt Chicago looks like now. It is a part of both Chicago and US history which is being lost and which if the development of this site ever occurs will also disappear in this part of Chicago. A bit of a side trip into the neighborhoods of this area would be most interesting. There are large tracts of land that are abandoned, along with railroad tracks that are no longer used and housing that is quite old and interesting. (On top of it you may spot a parrot or two winging through this part of town.) LouieB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sureshot Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Thanks for posting this. this raises my opinion of DM considerably, plus the line-up is worthy of support even if you split before he and his alleged frat boy fans come on. Lollapalooza is on the lakefront and alot of the other fests, including Pfork are not that far from where the majority of the hipster/hippies of Chicago live. But this site is a pretty good haul from all of that and certainly in areas were are in need of some economic development. If you see the Chicago stuff to do thread I have often suggested a trip down this way to see the "real" Chicago. The southeast side looks like what you would imagine Chicago looked like in the first half of the 20th century and certainly what the rust belt Chicago looks like now. It is a part of both Chicago and US history which is being lost and which if the development of this site ever occurs will also disappear in this part of Chicago. A bit of a side trip into the neighborhoods of this area would be most interesting. There are large tracts of land that are abandoned, along with railroad tracks that are no longer used and housing that is quite old and interesting. (On top of it you may spot a parrot or two winging through this part of town.) LouieB This is the most recent proposal for that parcel. Obviously highly conceptual at this stage, but one can only hope something worthwhile and coherent gets pieced together over the coming decades. The Calumet region in general that hugs the Skyway from SE IL/ NW IN is a pretty fascinating microcosm. If you can find it, I highly recommend grabbing this book from the library, as it does a really good job of distilling down the essence of what still remains a very unique place in America's fabric. Im pretty curious how this experiment will go. For the neighborhood's sake, I hope its successful and more artists consider venturing out of the same tired northside enclaves. The biggets obstacle is good public transit, which unfortunately is woefully lacking on the far south side. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 That does look like a good book!!! And there have been numerous proposals for that site since the 1980s, so maybe one day they will come to fruition. It could be a great place for a land based casino (not my favorite) and I suppose some other mixed use would be good. But transportation to that part of the city is tough. I have never actually taken the South Shore to South Bend (maybe soon for the hell of it), but the train doesn't go all that near the site. Needless to say, the construction of an el spur would be the best, but I doubt that will happen any time soon. You are one of the few folks ot express some of the sentiments I have had for some time. LouieB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hwllo Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Reminds me of another band... which one? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
u2roolz Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 which one? I'm assuming that's who she meant, when she made that comment. And it did make me laugh a lot. Hopefully, this is right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
choo-choo-charlie Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 I first heard DMB when I was 12. Under the Table and Dreaming. Probably still their best album and the one that'll get played whenever I feel like hearing DMB. I've never really understood the whole "all DMB fans are douchebag frat boys" concept, though. I was in a fraternity, and was pretty much alone in my enjoyment of anything DMB-related, perhaps with the exception of a few individuals whose "fandom" was about the same level as mine. I've been to a few DMB shows, never really had a bad experience or thought "geez, this crowd is awful and full of douchebags." And I also agree with what a few others have said in this thread -- I've seen my share of douchebags at Wilco and Jeff Tweedy concerts too, as well as at concerts for other bands. I think just about any band or artist is going to have a crop of tools in their fanbase. Some folks might just think that certain bands have more of them... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 I've seen my share of douchebags at Wilco and Jeff Tweedy concerts too, as well as at concerts for other bands. I didn't even mention some that were clearly nuts. I have been at Wilco crowds where those around me kept watch on certain people because they looked like they could be dangerous. There have been plenty of "space invaders" at Wilco shows as well. Rock audiences foster this kind of behaviour and some folks think it is perfectly okay to go crazy at a show and have no regard for the comfort or safety of their fellow concert goers. This has been a theme here as long as I have been on the board. LouieB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 I didn't even mention some that were clearly nuts. I have been at Wilco crowds where those around me kept watch on certain people because they looked like they could be dangerous. There have been plenty of "space invaders" at Wilco shows as well. Rock audiences foster this kind of behaviour and some folks think it is perfectly okay to go crazy at a show and have no regard for the comfort or safety of their fellow concert goers. This has been a theme here as long as I have been on the board. LouieB ReallY?!! This seems overly paranoid to me. The "concerty etiquette" thing has been discussed here and a lot of other places. There will always be some people who piss others off for whatever reason and others that will be easily pissed off for little or no reason at concerts, but people being afraid of dangerous looking pweople?!? At a Wilco concert?!!!! Kind of silly, no? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Well yea..kind of paranoid, I admit. At one of the Vic shows there was a girl in a U of C sweat shirt that would not talk to anyone around her, kept stareing at Jeff and then stareing at Sue in the balcony, didn't applaud, sat on the floor during breaks and gave off a seriously creepy vibe to all those around her. She also left before the end of the show. That's what I am talking about. Paranoid, sure!! Creepy?? Oh yea. Then there were the guys who yelled at me in Ashville when I turned around, threw water at me and told me not to turn around again. Was in in danger? Maybe not, but that was some seriously creepy and threatening behavior too. LouieB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hwllo Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Well yea..kind of paranoid, I admit. At one of the Vic shows there was a girl in a U of C sweat shirt that would not talk to anyone around her, kept stareing at Jeff and then stareing at Sue in the balcony, didn't applaud, sat on the floor during breaks and gave off a seriously creepy vibe to all those around her. She also left before the end of the show. That's what I am talking about. Paranoid, sure!! Creepy?? Oh yea. Then there were the guys who yelled at me in Ashville when I turned around, threw water at me and told me not to turn around again. Was in in danger? Maybe not, but that was some seriously creepy and threatening behavior too. LouieB Well this brings up a fair question: What's creepier, the girl doing that, or the guy who is at a Jeff Tweedy show and staring at some girl the entire night instead of watching the performer? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Speed Racer Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 At one of the Vic shows there was a girl in a U of C sweat shirt that would not talk to anyone around her, kept stareing at Jeff and then stareing at Sue in the balcony, didn't applaud, sat on the floor during breaks and gave off a seriously creepy vibe to all those around her. She also left before the end of the show. As someone who dislikes applause, that part doesn't sound creepy at all. Not talking to anyone in the crowd - why should she? Staring at Jeff, at a solo show? How dare she! Ever watched Sue during a show? She's funny as hell, her expressions. At the 2005 Madison show, the very last part of the show I saw was Jeff walking up to the mic to sing another number, and seeing him look at Sue off-stage. Sue shook her head "no," and he said, "Goodnight!" and walked off the stage. The sitting is kinda weird, if only for her safety. Then there were the guys who yelled at me in Ashville when I turned around, threw water at me and told me not to turn around again. Was in in danger? Maybe not, but that was some seriously creepy and threatening behavior too. The world you're looking for is "douchebag." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Doug C Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Then there were the guys who yelled at me in Ashville when I turned around, threw water at me and told me not to turn around again. Was in in danger? Maybe not, but that was some seriously creepy and threatening behavior too. Lou, was this the Oct. 14, 2005 show at the Thomas Wolfe Auditorium? If so, an apology might be in order. I do not engage in the type of behavior you described but North Carolina had recently legalized high abv beers so almost all of the taps at Barley's Tap Room were big beers and I am a big beer enthusiast. Long story shortened, my pal and I were uncharacteristically way out of our heads, so on the slim but possible chance (I did do something disgusting during the show) that we were the d-bags in question... please forgive us, we knew not what we did. If ever our paths cross, the first round's on Doug C. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jff Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 the very last part of the show I saw was Jeff walking up to the mic to sing another number, and seeing him look at Sue off-stage. Sue shook her head "no," and he said, "Goodnight!" and walked off the stage. That's bizarre. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
calvino Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 U of C students are not the most sociable people and also I don't think one could blame Sue for wanting to get out of Madison, that night. For the most part, I don't think I encountered many problems at Wilco shows; never been to a DMB show. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Speed Racer Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 U of C students are not the most sociable people and also I don't think one could blame Sue for wanting to get out of Madison, that night. I know, I love that the anecdote was basically, "Dude, a U of C student was awkward." That's like saying she was breathing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Speed Racer Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 That's bizarre. Not at all. It was a long show, and Sam and Spencer were both there. That happened well after 11, and if I had kids that age who were still awake I'd 'no' him too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jff Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Not at all. It was a long show, and Sam and Spencer were both there. That happened well after 11, and if I had kids that age who were still awake I'd 'no' him too. Yeah, in that case, I see your point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Lou, was this the Oct. 14, 2005 show at the Thomas Wolfe Auditorium? If so, an apology might be in order. I do not engage in the type of behavior you described but North Carolina had recently legalized high abv beers so almost all of the taps at Barley's Tap Room were big beers and I am a big beer enthusiast. Long story shortened, my pal and I were uncharacteristically way out of our heads, so on the slim but possible chance (I did do something disgusting during the show) that we were the d-bags in question... please forgive us, we knew not what we did. If ever our paths cross, the first round's on Doug C. Let me say it was one of the best shows I ever saw Wilco put on and I have seen alot. It was also the furthest I ever went for a Wilco show.It was generally a good time, but it was cold that night and we stood outside waiting for the band to maybe come out and that water on me sure was cold. Could it have been six years ago? Maybe. Rosehill Drive opened (and drove folks out of the auditorium) and it was at the end of a great trip I took with a friend. it probably wasn't you guys. I am fine with drunks as long they behave themselves. If you think I am kidding about the creepy U of C girl, ask renic. She was standing nearby and had the same reaction. Was she dangerous?? Probably not. Was she anti-social? yup!! Was she acting weird?? Yup Weird enough that those of us who knew each other still occasionally talk about it. LouieB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 Well this brings up a fair question: What's creepier, the girl doing that, or the guy who is at a Jeff Tweedy show and staring at some girl the entire night instead of watching the performer?That is plenty creepy too. To get this off of Wilco and back to DMB. I just don't think his fans are any weirder than the norm. But then again I have not been to see him. But I have seen near fights, or drunks being hauled out by security, or folks who should have been hauled out by security at any number of shows over the years. LouieB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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