lamradio Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 I hope so... WE WANT PANTHER! WE WANT PANTHER! Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 Many folks in the USofA want the freedom to die without health insurance and without an income and maybe homeless. I guess we need to let them have that freedom. Link to post Share on other sites
ikol Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 I would prefer to not die regardless of whether I have health insurance. Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 Yeah, I guess being responsible for yourself or wanting the freedom of choice is a strange concept of freedom. I guess I know what Sparky means now. The only thing I can think of to make you understand... "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."— Benjamin FranklinWildly irrelevant quote, but whatever. You're pretending that the Danes have somehow sacrificed "freedom of choice." If you actually ask Danes about this, they won't know what the hell you're talking about. Their society works. Ours doesn't. If you prefer ours, that's your right. Personally, I'd prefer to make ours a lot more like theirs. Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 I would prefer to not die regardless of whether I have health insurance.Wow, super heavy....everyone is going to die. LouieB Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Speed Racer Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 Wow, super heavy....everyone is going to die. Of all people, you know the doctor probably knows that, right? Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 Actually I think we should go back to the time when there was no health insurance. (There was a time!!) That way ikol can trade his services for whatever meger funds or other types of barter he can get for treating his patients. In those days doctors weren't so rich. They were esteemed, but not wealthy. Sometimes they didn't get paid at all or people died because they didn't have money. Yea, that was the good old days. I find it humorous that the very folks who make out like bandits under this system are the first to criticize it. Tom Lehrer had a great line about treating diseases of the rich. LouieB Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 Actually I think we should go back to the time when there was no health insurance. (There was a time!!) That way ikol can trade his services for whatever meger funds or other types of barter he can get for treating his patients. In those days doctors weren't so rich. They were esteemed, but not wealthy. Sometimes they didn't get paid at all or people died because they didn't have money. Yea, that was the good old days. I find it humorous that the very folks who make out like bandits under this system are the first to criticize it. Tom Lehrer had a great line about treating diseases of the rich. LouieB Sometimes I wonder what it would be like to hate as many types of people as you do. Then I realize it's just not worth it. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Speed Racer Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 All ikol said was he didn't expect medicare payouts (which he shouldn't), cracked a joke about not wanting to die, now he's a thieving, scheming meger-fund taker. Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 Oh please. I don't hate anyone. that's just silly. Just pointing out that some folks are totally freaked out by the way the system works, even when it works for them. Even the hysteria over the systems being so broken they won't be there in the future is totally hysterical (in more ways then one.) We may have to tax everyone more for what they get, but these systems aren't going away any time soon. (Higher premiums are jsut a form of private taxation, which I think is the point about Denmark.) But the fact remains, the medical system has and continues to prosper BECAUSE of health insurance, not in spite of it. When ikol finally gets to be a doctor I doubt he is going to turn down any insurance money, be it public or private.I was just saying, maybe he can trade his services for dead chickens and the like. LouieB Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Speed Racer Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 He's not freaked out, he has no faith in it. Because he shouldn't, at his age. It ain't long for this world. Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 Oh please. I don't hate anyone. that's just silly. Just pointing out that some folks are totally freaked out by the way the system works, even when it works for them. Even the hysteria over the systems being so broken they won't be there in the future is totally hysterical (in more ways then one.) We may have to tax everyone more for what they get, but these systems aren't going away any time soon. (Higher premiums are jsut a form of private taxation, which I think is the point about Denmark.) But the fact remains, the medical system has and continues to prosper BECAUSE of health insurance, not in spite of it. When ikol finally gets to be a doctor I doubt he is going to turn down any insurance money, be it public or private.I was just saying, maybe he can trade his services for dead chickens and the like. LouieB Maybe hate was too strong a word. I'll go with contempt. Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 Contempt? That is pretty strong too. All I see here is how horrible and broken the government is. Yea, in some ways it is, but most ways we get quite alot from the government considering. Could it be better. Oh yea, lots better. Could we have better systems as Cryptique keeps pointing out? For sure. But the MINUTE something fucks up, we are all over whatever government or government agency we think is responsible, but we really don't want to pay for it. Trust me I am the same as everyone else and I WORK for the government. Meanwhile most folks here are too young to even conceive that there will be anything left when they get up in years. I felt the same way 40 years ago and guess what? I am on the brink of collecting and I very well may. I know people who do. It IS going to be there, because old people vote, no matter left or right and they expect to collect social security and have some sort of basic health insurance. The one thing Congress is NOT going to let happen (despite all the teabagger bullshit) is let these programs lapse. You can tell me I am wrong in 30 or 40 years, but frankly I ain't gonna be around for you to tell me I was wrong. Right now is is all idle and hysterical speculation. I have agreed repeatedly with the one guy you think I "hate" that these programs have to be restructured. They do, clearly. ikol is correct. But they ain't going away and they are probably NOT going to privatized. In reality they are already heavily privatized. Medicare and medicaid payments are made to private providers, which is my point. Doctors love these programs. They love the new law. Everyone is winning. Are their problems? Of course there are. There are always problems with EVERYTHING! Always and forever!! There are problems with "socialized" medicine, there are problems with private medicine, there are lots of problems with a system like ours that is both; there is fraud and decite. No fucking shit!!! All the while the medical providers take the money. None of this is contempt, it is hard cold clammy reality, which can't be quantified or easily fit into some model. Try and justify it. You simply can't. LouieB Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Speed Racer Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 No fucking shit!!! All the while the medical providers take the money. None of this is contempt, it is hard cold clammy reality, which can't be quantified or easily fit into some model. Try and justify it. You simply can't. Jeepers, if that ain't contempt, I'd love to see what is. Reality isn't hard, cold and clammy, reality just is. Your reaction to reality is hard, cold and clammy or, as others might characterize it, contemptuous. The world isn't going to fall apart at the seams. Or it might. All I can do is what I can do, and I try not to worry about what it is that I can't do about it. Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=67562604-8280-4d56-8af4-a27f59d70de5 ergo, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h45WnW0ASFY Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 Most people need to have their own set of scapegoats, I guess. Link to post Share on other sites
Beltmann Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 Most people need to have their own set of scapegoats, I guess.I usually just blame everything on teachers. Works for me. Link to post Share on other sites
ikol Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 Actually I think we should go back to the time when there was no health insurance. (There was a time!!) That way ikol can trade his services for whatever meger funds or other types of barter he can get for treating his patients. In those days doctors weren't so rich. They were esteemed, but not wealthy. Sometimes they didn't get paid at all or people died because they didn't have money. Yea, that was the good old days. I find it humorous that the very folks who make out like bandits under this system are the first to criticize it. Tom Lehrer had a great line about treating diseases of the rich. LouieB I think just going back to a system where the recipient of a service pays something, regardless of how little, would be a good start. Link to post Share on other sites
bleedorange Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 I usually just blame everything on teachers. Works for me. Yeah, that's misguided too. Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 This is so fuckin cool!!! LouieB Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 She's got my vote. Link to post Share on other sites
Sweet Papa Crimbo Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 I hear she is vetting this guy for her running mate Let's see who is the first to figure this out Link to post Share on other sites
u2roolz Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Let's see who is the first to figure this out Rep. Mike Turner (R-OH). Right clicking on an image works wonders. Link to post Share on other sites
Recommended Posts