bleedorange Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 pitchfork has been pretty terrible for recent wilco albums. I think they gave Ghost is Born and Sky Blue Sky a 6 and Wilco the album a 7...so yeah, they don't really know anything. Their review of AGIB is really the only one they have done that has been way off base. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rhino4evr Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 I think there review of SBS was too low, and their review of WIlco the album is too high. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tinnitus photography Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 pitchfork has been pretty terrible for recent wilco albums. I think they gave Ghost is Born and Sky Blue Sky a 6 and Wilco the album a 7...so yeah, they don't really know anything. sounds about on par for Via Chicago opinions Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ghost of Electricity Posted September 5, 2011 Share Posted September 5, 2011 sounds about on par for Via Chicago opinions Quote Link to post Share on other sites
augurus Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 sounds about on par for Via Chicago opinions Truth. AGIB is pretty overblown on VC because face it,... we love jams. VC is the only place on the web I know that loves AGIB so much that some people consider it better than YHF. VC loves jams, and those same people run to the defense of SBS. Whether these are good jams doesn't matter because most VC fans will swoon over Nels Cline playing. Most of the jams during this era felt pretty drowsy. They're detailed, but not nuanced. Wilco (The Album) had plenty of nice details, and much less in terms of jams. The return to less jam-oriented songs helped. I still hear people complain about how boring Deeper Down is when there's so much nuance in every step of that song. The concept is a little trite for sure, but the execution in that song is magnificent. I can't speak for why AGIB and SBS fans don't like subtlety and nuance, but this is where I usually see the divide. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ghost of Electricity Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 Truth. AGIB is pretty overblown on VC because face it,... we love jams. VC is the only place on the web I know that loves AGIB so much that some people consider it better than YHF. VC loves jams, and those same people run to the defense of SBS. Whether these are good jams doesn't matter because most VC fans will swoon over Nels Cline playing. Most of the jams during this era felt pretty drowsy. They're detailed, but not nuanced. Wilco (The Album) had plenty of nice details, and much less in terms of jams. The return to less jam-oriented songs helped. I still hear people complain about how boring Deeper Down is when there's so much nuance in every step of that song. The concept is a little trite for sure, but the execution in that song is magnificent. I can't speak for why AGIB and SBS fans don't like subtlety and nuance, but this is where I usually see the divide.wait, what? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mpolak21 Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 wait, what? Aug has a vastly different perspective than I do on this matter, but it's nice reading a different idea than the usual, "the latte swigging, Animal Collective worshipping, Pitchfork reading hipsters loved all the weird noises on YHF and AGIB, but then dismissed SBS and WTA as 'dad rock' because they weren't 'experimental' enough' conclusion. I don't know maybe I do like 'jams,' I am aware of Phish drummer Jon Fishman's advancements in using a Vaccuum Cleaner as musical instrument. I think may have one Leftover Salmon disc buried in a pile somewhere. Something, something, something String Cheese Incident. --Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AJ673 Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 I just feel that their first albums went with the mood, their middle albums created a mood, and their latest albums you have to be in a mood to listen to... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ghost of Electricity Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 I bet pitchfork will love the first track and meh the rest. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wild Frank Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 I bet pitchfork will love the first track and meh the rest.To be fair I think they were complimentary about WTA if I recall. I would imagine this album will get an 8.2 rating from Pitchfork, bless 'em. They will swoon over 'Art of Almost' though, as indeed they should, because it is a fine song. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
augurus Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 Aug has a vastly different perspective than I do on this matter, but it's nice reading a different idea than the usual, "the latte swigging, Animal Collective worshipping, Pitchfork reading hipsters loved all the weird noises on YHF and AGIB, but then dismissed SBS and WTA as 'dad rock' because they weren't 'experimental' enough' conclusion. I don't know maybe I do like 'jams,' I am aware of Phish drummer Jon Fishman's advancements in using a Vaccuum Cleaner as musical instrument. I think may have one Leftover Salmon disc buried in a pile somewhere. Something, something, something String Cheese Incident. --MikeI definitely don't think those noises are weird: but they're foreign and I like it. I like to think that they helped convey the idea radio interference/static that disrupts communication. I've always thought Yankee Hotel Foxtrot as an album about communication of love and the many barriers in between that model. I hope that makes sense to someone. And to be fair, I still like some songs from the AGIB/SBS era like like Handshake Drugs, Company In My Back, and You Are My Face. And my opinion comes pretty close to that of Pitchfork's in regards to AGIB and SBS. They already gave I Might a 7 which is fairly decent and good. When they give something an 8 or higher, they want year and or genre defining stuff. It's like learning to accept that Rolling Stones' stars rating has no meaning or that Peter Travers gives everything 4 stars. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rwilson580 Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 Yes, it is an interesting, different perspective. The idea that SBS fans are the ones who cannot appreciate nuance seems bizarre to me. And wrong...but then I am wrong about lots of stuff, so who knows? I've never seen anyone group AGiB and SBS as any kind of tag team either. The fact that each of them has at least one extended guitar jam isn't enough to make them close siblings to me. AGiB seems much more similar to YHF than SBS, I think...but one of the things that first drew me to the band was how disparate each of their albums seemed, including the last two mentioned. Anyway, interesting perspective... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Speed Racer Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 re: Pitchfork, I think they'll give this a high 7-something, because 8 would force them to admit that they like new Wilco, and I don't think Wilco is so lame they're cool to like again with regard to their standards yet. A game I have enjoyed for a while is writing down a series of phrases and seeing how many appear in the review. Possible phrases that will come up for The Whole Love: dad-rockkrautrockageensemblealt-country sstraightforwardrehabJay Bennett After you've made your list, you calculate the percentage achieved, and compare your score to the album's score. If this had been W(TA), I'd have scored a 5.0. If you score higher than the album, you win! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lamradio Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 I don't read Pitchfork reviews. Does that mean I'm cool? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beltmann Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 It’s the shortest twelve minute song I’ve ever heard,No kiddin'. I was talking with a colleague this afternoon about the album and observed that OSM is twelve minutes but feels like four. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
smells like flowers Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 I just feel that their first albums went with the mood, their middle albums created a mood, and their latest albums you have to be in a mood to listen to... Well said! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rhino4evr Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 I said to myself that the longest songs on the album end too early, I just don't want them to end Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest kechefs Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 No kiddin'. I was talking with a colleague this afternoon about the album and observed that OSM is twelve minutes but feels like four.Can we not start calling it osm it deserves to be called by its full name Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shakespeare In The Alley Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 What do you have against acronyms? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
augurus Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 The last year has been kind, with the release of the Decemberists’ ‘The King is Dead’, Gillian Welch’s ‘The Harrow & The Harvest’ ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tinnitus photography Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 I don't read Pitchfork reviews. Does that mean I'm cool? no. the fact that you wear pink tutus in an unironic fashion makes you cool. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SeattleC Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 No Depression blog said: The last year has been kind, with the release of the Decemberists’ ‘The King is Dead’, Gillian Welch’s ‘The Harrow & The Harvest’ ... Well, it was kind to me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 Can we not start calling it osm it deserves to be called by its full nameOnly if you (and everyone else) stops saying "This." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
-seven Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 Only if you (and everyone else) stops saying "This." Hahahahahahaha. Those were my exact thoughts! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ghost of Electricity Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 Only if you (and everyone else) stops saying "This." This. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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