Sparky speaks Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Link to post Share on other sites
kidsmoke Posted October 17, 2012 Share Posted October 17, 2012 Bad lip Reading at the Debate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=QlwilbVYvUg Link to post Share on other sites
dagwave Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 "Mmmmmmm....Cupcakes....." Link to post Share on other sites
IRememberDBoon Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 One thing was for sure in last nights debate. Mitt Romney was out to f*cking lunch on womens issues. Link to post Share on other sites
IRememberDBoon Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 This is a little off topic, but something I heard on CNN before the debate last night really bothered me. One of the analysts said about Obama: "Well, the President needs to focus on civility. He has to be very careful not to appear rude or too aggressive during the debate."I couldn't help but wonder, why didn't she say that BOTH candidates need to "focus on civility" or that BOTH candidates have to "be very careful not to appear rude or too aggressive during the debate"?Now the analyst who made the observation about what Obama needed to do was not some right wing, racist blowhard, but a normal CNN analyst that I have seen many times before. I just found it incredible that she was perpetuating the GOP myth that Obama is somehow rude and uncivil in contrast to Romney Link to post Share on other sites
uncool2pillow Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 you've gotta admit that was funny as hell. Link to post Share on other sites
Sparky speaks Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Who Is Responsible for the Mess in Libya? by Andrew P. Napolitano What's going on here? What's going on here is the unraveling of a value-free foreign policy and its unintended consequences. The whole reason that the streets in Libya are not safe and the country is ruled by roving gangs of militias is because the U.S. bombed the country last year. In an unconstitutional act of war, the president alone ordered the bombing. It destroyed the Libyan military, national and local police, roads, bridges, and private homes. It facilitated the murder of our former ally Col. Gadhafi and ensured the replacement of him by a government that cannot govern. The consulate attack defies the claims of the president, articulated loud and long during this presidential campaign, that because he killed Osama bin Laden, al-Qaida is dead or dying, and the terrorists are at bay. Thus, in order to be faithful to his campaign rhetoric, the president has been unfaithful to the truth. I personally have seen excerpts from intelligence cables sent by American agents in Libya to Washington on September 12th, the day after the attack and four days before Rice's TV appearances, acknowledging the dominant role played by al-Qaida in the attack. So, who is to blame here? The president. He is responsible for destroying the government in Libya, and he is responsible for the security of U.S. personnel and property there. He is accountable to the American people, and he is expected to tell the truth. Instead, he has leaked the possibility of more bombings in Libya. These bombings would be more than a month after the Benghazi consulate attack and would attack the very government that Obama's 2011 bombs helped to install. Is it any wonder that Bill Clinton, in an unguarded private moment, referred to Obama as "the amateur"? http://lewrockwell.c...litano72.1.html Costs of wars so far 2001-2011... http://coto2.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/costs-of-war-2001-2011.pdf Link to post Share on other sites
lost highway Posted October 18, 2012 Author Share Posted October 18, 2012 It is true that the U.S. bombed Libya. It is also true that Libyan rebels overthrew a tyrannical government. The aftermath of most revolutions is not pretty, this is one of the few examples of American exceptionalism I can think of; our relatively graceful post-revolution transition. At this point Al-Qaida could be a game of "Whack a Mole". We may have destabilized, and crushed most of their central power, but terrorist organizations are successful because they are decentralized. Something they will want to call al-Qaida can rear its head as long as third world countries in the middle east resent American imperialism, and our support for Israel. Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 As with everything Sparky posts here, it needs to be pointed out that Andrew P. Napolitano is a right wing ideologue who was according to Wikipedia was asked by Glen Beck to replace him on Fox news. I don't spend much time on any of this, but I always do feel it necesessary to check on these things because taking these things at face value is dangerous. Where mistakes made? Of course. Obama took responsibility for this at the debate the other night. In a dangerous and chaotic world shit happens. It is sad to be sure. Making a partisan issue out of this is even sadder. LouieB Link to post Share on other sites
Tweedling Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 American excepionalism. I love it. Link to post Share on other sites
Winston Legthigh Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 This is a little off topic, but something I heard on CNN before the debate last night really bothered me. One of the analysts said about Obama: "Well, the President needs to focus on civility. He has to be very careful not to appear rude or too aggressive during the debate."I couldn't help but wonder, why didn't she say that BOTH candidates need to "focus on civility" or that BOTH candidates have to "be very careful not to appear rude or too aggressive during the debate"?Now the analyst who made the observation about what Obama needed to do was not some right wing, racist blowhard, but a normal CNN analyst that I have seen many times before. I just found it incredible that she was perpetuating the GOP myth that Obama is somehow rude and uncivil in contrast to Romney I wasn't aware that there's a GOP myth that Obama's rude. I think the point was made to show that since he lost the first debate, Obama needed to come out stronger, but in doing so, needed to walk the line between being strong/assertive and not being rude/impolite. There was also the issue that the in-house audience supposedly consisted of undecided voters. The broadcast I was watching showed a live graphic of supposedly positive/negative reactions from a test group with shock collars in a lab somewhere. The analyst was just pointing out that the game is to make a point register with the audience, but if you are appearing like an asshole while doing so, you just wasted your energy. The whole "more flies with sugar" thing. Link to post Share on other sites
IRememberDBoon Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Did anyone ever hear Sec Rumsfeld or Rice or President Bush take responsibility for any mistake? Link to post Share on other sites
Sparky speaks Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 As with everything Sparky posts here, it needs to be pointed out that Andrew P. Napolitano is a right wing ideologue who was according to Wikipedia was asked by Glen Beck to replace him on Fox news. I don't spend much time on any of this, but I always do feel it necesessary to check on these things because taking these things at face value is dangerous. Where mistakes made? Of course. Obama took responsibility for this at the debate the other night. In a dangerous and chaotic world shit happens. It is sad to be sure. Making a partisan issue out of this is even sadder. LouieB Thanks, Candy. He's also one of the nation's leading constitutional experts and someone who exposes those out to destroy our liberties no matter what party they belong to. That's why FOX dropped hid popular Freedom Watch show. Shilling for war... Second Ad Featuring PM Netanyahu Airs in Florida http://tipggita32.wordpress.com/2012/10/18/second-ad-featuring-pm-netanyahu-airs-in-florida/ Link to post Share on other sites
IRememberDBoon Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 "He's also one of the nation's leading constitutional experts and someone who exposes those out to destroy our liberties no matter what party they belong to" No hes not. Hes a blovating arsehole Andrew Napolitano smeared the Obama administration as being "in tight" with the New Black Panther Party, citing the myth that the Obama Justice Department would not prosecute a party member for "ntimidating voters with a weapon." In fact, the decision to not pursue criminal charges was made by the Bush DOJ, and the Obama administration won an injunction against the party member who carried a weapon. Link to post Share on other sites
IRememberDBoon Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 BWAHAA! Remember the guy whos video I posted about the President being gay. From World Net Daily. He was credentialed and put on the Romney plane yesterday Link to post Share on other sites
Tweedling Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Can someone explain Obamas statement that the price of gas was lower when he first got elected because the economy was so bad? Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Heartbreak Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Pretty easy to do. When Bush was president, gas spiked to over $4.00 per gallon nationwide. Then the major financial crisis in 2008 caused the price to plummet to about $2.00, mainly due to a massive recession.http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/04/12/myths-and-facts-about-oil-and-gasoline/184527#recessionMost oil market experts believe that the rapid and sustained reduction in oil prices that began in 2008 and extended beyond occurred because the world economy began to slow down and ultimately to experience a deep recession. This is one way to reduce oil prices, but not a very attractive one. Link to post Share on other sites
KevinG Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Pretty easy to do. When Bush was president, gas spiked to over $4.00 per gallon nationwide. Then the major financial crisis in 2008 caused the price to plummet to about $2.00, mainly due to a massive recession.http://mediamatters....84527#recession Heartbreak your link quotes experts and people who know what they are talking about. Everyone knows that right next to the red phone there is a big dial labeled gas prices, and PBO is refusing to turn it lower it because he hates America. Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Heartbreak Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Heartbreak your link quotes experts and people who know what they are talking about. Everyone knows that right next to the red phone there is a big dial labeled gas prices, and PBO is refusing to turn it lower it because he hates America. I always forget that he is a socialist Muslim with Kenyan sensibilities. Oops. Link to post Share on other sites
ih8music Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Can someone explain Obamas statement that the price of gas was lower when he first got elected because the economy was so bad?Econ 101 Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 "He's also one of the nation's leading constitutional experts and someone who exposes those out to destroy our liberties no matter what party they belong to" No hes not. Hes a blovating arsehole Andrew Napolitano smeared the Obama administration as being "in tight" with the New Black Panther Party, citing the myth that the Obama Justice Department would not prosecute a party member for "ntimidating voters with a weapon." In fact, the decision to not pursue criminal charges was made by the Bush DOJ, and the Obama administration won an injunction against the party member who carried a weapon.Thanks for this. Experts are not always experts.Econ 101I was going to post something similar. Supply and demand curve. Take Econ 101 and it is pretty clear. The cost of gas has nothing to do with much of anything including the price of crude oil. But supply and demand ultimately does even everything out. LouieB Link to post Share on other sites
JUDE Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Funny, I have been responsible for fleet fuel purchases and buying unit contracts to try and hedge fuel epenses for years and I still can't consistantly put a finger on what drives the market on a daily, weekly or annual basis. I was going to say the weakening dollar and incresed demand from emerging economies was probably one of the major drivers; that and futures traders taking profits but I guess it's just basic econ 101 stuff. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 What the hell do you know? You live in Minnesota. Link to post Share on other sites
NoJ Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Yeah JUDE, what Jules said. Now go panfry me a walleye. Link to post Share on other sites
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