winterland121072 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Interesting comments regarding 9/20/74. I tend to agree. i think there were some great 1974 moments (e.g., 5.19.1974, 6.16.1974, 6.18.1974, 6.20.1974, 6.23.1974, 7.19.1974, 10.16.1974 pitb, 10.19.1974 eyes) but it also had some real dud shows. It could have been many things or a nice mixture, but to me the band sounded a bit tired, over-drugged, or bored. Listening to 05 October 2001 Wilco....man - they were really really playing well with the scaled down band... Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 http://deadline.com/2014/10/grateful-dead-documentary-martin-scorsese-amir-bar-lev-858802/ Scorsese GD documentary.... Link to post Share on other sites
kbraz Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 What about 8/6/74? Roosevelt is great IMO Link to post Share on other sites
kbraz Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Best thing about '74 aside from Wall of Sound is Phil's bass... So out front in the mixes, love it. Next to primal era '74 is it for me. Link to post Share on other sites
worldrecordplayer Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 What about 8/6/74? Roosevelt is great IMO Yes yes yes! My first GD show. My holy grail. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites
kbraz Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Best thing about '74 aside from Wall of Sound is Phil's bass... So out front in the mixes, love it. Next to primal era '74 is it for me.Late '73 also has many highlights! Link to post Share on other sites
kbraz Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Yes yes yes! My first GD show. My holy grail. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk jealous! Link to post Share on other sites
calvino Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 I pre-ordered the new Bob Minkin book a couple weeks ago. This thing looks like a winner. Supposed to ship next week. Minkin was on the XM Tales 'show last weekend - sounds like it should be a great book. Talked about how the Dead road crew, who gave him a hard time back in the day at times, are happy that the pictures actual survived and our coming out in a book--- I guess Steve Parish wrote a forward or something for the book. Link to post Share on other sites
jw harding Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Ranking of every show from 74: http://www.ishitmusic.com/?p=1176 People are pretty high on this year in general. My main issue is that the length of the shows tend to be exhausting, so it would be no surprise if the band was tired too. But I don't hear that much in the music. Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Heartbreak Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Ranking of every show from 74: http://www.ishitmusic.com/?p=1176 People are pretty high on this year in general. My main issue is that the length of the shows tend to be exhausting, so it would be no surprise if the band was tired too. But I don't hear that much in the music. Wow, what a great resource! Of course, it's subjective, but this gives me a place to start. I know I have missed out on some great '74 shows, and now I have a better idea of which ones to check out. Surprised he ranked 9/20 even as high as he did. But he's got 6/18 and 8/6 in his top ten shows for the year list, so I respect his opinion automatically. Not sure which of the others I have, but I will check at home. Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Ranking of every show from 74: http://www.ishitmusic.com/?p=1176 Very cool. Love the "China-Riders of 74" stats for times.... Link to post Share on other sites
jw harding Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Yeah, that 6/26 China Rider is probably my favorite Dead moment of all time. Sublime intro. Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Ranking of every show from 74: http://www.ishitmusic.com/?p=1176 People are pretty high on this year in general. My main issue is that the length of the shows tend to be exhausting, so it would be no surprise if the band was tired too. But I don't hear that much in the music. Surprised I didn't see 6/28 Boston in the Top 10. June '74 is one of the really great months of GD, probably the best month of the Wall of Sound Era (my opinion). Link to post Share on other sites
calvino Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Listened to the 1st set of the Fresno 7.19.74 show last night --- good set. Looking forward to the 2nd set. It's been on my hard drive for a awhile, but I don't remember listening to the show before. Link to post Share on other sites
worldrecordplayer Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Here's the final installment of JamBase's 1974 retrospective, with links to the previous editions. Great stuff if you don't already have it. http://www.jambase.com/Articles/123074/Stormy-Mondays-Grateful-Dead-1974-Retrospective-Finale The "amazing passage" the writer refers to is on Disc 4 of the Grateful Dead Movie soundtrack. Amazing it is. I listened to that "amazing passage" on disc 4 over the weekend. So good. Give it a spin. Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Heartbreak Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Dave's Picks subscription for 2015 now up and ready for pre-order. Still $100 with free shipping for subscribers. DP #14 will be 2/24/74 (sorry, mountain bed, that is about 10 years off). http://www.dead.net/store/music/live-shows/daves-picks-2015-subscription Edit: FWIW, this show is apparently a month or so before the debut of the Wall of Sound, so it reportedly has a vibe that is more late '73 than '74. I may or may not have a copy of it at home, not sure. I know I have one of this run, but it might be 2/22 or 2/23. Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Dave's Picks subscription for 2015 now up and ready for pre-order. Still $100 with free shipping for subscribers. DP #14 will be 2/24/74 (sorry, mountain bed, that is about 10 years off). http://www.dead.net/store/music/live-shows/daves-picks-2015-subscription Edit: FWIW, this show is apparently a month or so before the debut of the Wall of Sound, so it reportedly has a vibe that is more late '73 than '74. I may or may not have a copy of it at home, not sure. I know I have one of this run, but it might be 2/22 or 2/23.Thanks for the heads up Mr. H. Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted October 28, 2014 Author Share Posted October 28, 2014 I have a funny feeling this book will be worse or as bad as Phil's book: Deal: My Three Decades of Drumming, Dreams, and Drugs with the Grateful Dead Bill Kreutzmann, Benjy Eisen (May 5, 2015) Link to post Share on other sites
worldrecordplayer Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 I have a funny feeling this book will be worse or as bad as Phil's book:Funny, I'm expecting it to be great! Don't know why, just am. Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Heartbreak Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Thanks for the heads up Mr. H. You bet! It was kind of hard to find the announcement at first, because you have to go through the "Almanac" part of the menu to find it, so I figured I'd let people on here know. The "limited release" number has been boosted to 16,500 this time. Link to post Share on other sites
Bart Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 I have a funny feeling this book will be worse or as bad as Phil's book: What didn't you like about Phil's book? It's been years since I read it, but I'm pretty sure I liked it. Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 These books (Phil's, Scully's, Parrish's, etc.) are usually entertaining just in getting the individual's perspective. They aren't "great reads" in any literary sense, of course, but not bad for a quick breeze through "history". Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 You bet! It was kind of hard to find the announcement at first, because you have to go through the "Almanac" part of the menu to find it, so I figured I'd let people on here know. The "limited release" number has been boosted to 16,500 this time.Well, I plunked down the cash first thing this morning. I feel like you can't mess around and end up missing out. Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted October 28, 2014 Author Share Posted October 28, 2014 What didn't you like about Phil's book? It's been years since I read it, but I'm pretty sure I liked it. I've read hundreds of rock books. Most of them are not that great. I found his to be bad. I'd like them to talk more about the music. I am not really interested in stories about ex-wives and what sort of drugs they did. Maybe Billy's will be different. But - I doubt it. I could be wrong. We shall see. Link to post Share on other sites
calvino Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 I've read hundreds of rock books. Most of them are not that great. I found his to be bad. I'd like them to talk more about the music. I am not really interested in stories about ex-wives and what sort of drugs they did. Maybe Billy's will be different. But - I doubt it. I could be wrong. We shall see. The title suggests that it won't be any different. Of course he does have "Drumming" in it. I have never read any of Mickey Hart's books, but heard great things. I thought Phil's book was boring to. The best part of McNally's book were his 'Interludes' or what ever he called them. Blair Jackson's book on Garcia and his Gear book are probably my favorites, plus Gan's interview books. Link to post Share on other sites
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