Shug Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 I was recently revisiting this kick-ass '83 show from Providence. I love the second set, in particular the Esau, Maybe You Know, Bertha punch out of the gate.https://archive.org/details/gd1983-04-20.aud.wise.92322.sbeok.flac16/gd1983-04-20d1t01.flac Looks Like Rain from 4-20-83 is Article H in my ongoing case for Garcia being able to solo his ass off on songs in which he didn't have to sing lead. Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Looks Like Rain from 4-20-83 is Article H in my ongoing case for Garcia being able to solo his ass off on songs in which he didn't have to sing lead.yep. Plus, I love LLR (not so much the first 2/3 of the tune, but the final 1/3). Link to post Share on other sites
Winston Legthigh Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 my ongoing case for Garcia being able to solo his ass off on songs in which he didn't have to sing lead.Is the opposite a real notion held by serious people? Link to post Share on other sites
Shug Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Is the opposite a real notion held by serious people?No, its my response to people who think Bobby's songs are just time-killers until the next Jerry song. I've never been of the mind that Jerry was the prime artist in the band, more important than the others. I see the Dead as a collective in which the sum is all the more interesting because of the disparate elements that make it up. I think Bobby's contributions to the Dead's music is huge and I think there would be huge hole in all Dead shows if you cut out all the Bobby songs. There are actually people who seem to think that it'd be better without Bobby songs, which is astounding to me. So I was making the point to all the Jerry-o-philes that Garcia did some of his best soloing when he didn't have to sing, many times better than the solos he took in his own songs, IMO. Lazy Lighting, Saint Of Circumstance, Let It Grow, etc. as examples. Link to post Share on other sites
Winston Legthigh Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 I don't know about many times better - but I've never thought of it. Playing in the Band, The Other One, Estimated Prophet, Greatest Story Ever Told, to name a few, are enough for me. Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 I hear ya, but then I think the assumption from Shug's post (at least what I took from it) was that Garcia didn't solo as well on tunes where he had lead vocals. Then I think of tunes like Deal, Franklin's, Scarlet, etc. where the soloing , typically, shredded just as hard or harder than when on songs without his key vocals. Then there's JGB material, with (besides the instrumental tunes played heavily in the 70s) Garcia has lead vocals on all of the tunes and the guitar playing, imo, overall does not lack. I don't make the distinction between how well his overall playing was on non-lead vocal tunes compared to tunes he sang vocals on, I guess. Link to post Share on other sites
Winston Legthigh Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 I'm just saying his soloing is good regardless. I've never noticed a difference on whether it's one of his songs or not. Link to post Share on other sites
Shug Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 I think he could play good faster when he wasn't singing lead. Think of the blazing speed he could get into on Saint of Circumstance and Let It Grow and Lazy Lightning. I might be over-stating it, or maybe its my imagination, because he certainly solo'd great on plenty of his own songs, but I hear something different when he didn't have to pay attention to when he had to step back up to the mic after a hot solo when it was a Bobby song. Plus those odd chords and time signatures of Bobby's songs gave him a very interesting and very different foil to solo against compared to the Hunter Garcia songs, I think, and I really like listening to him play guitar on Bob's songs. Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 I'm just saying his soloing is good regardless. I've never noticed a difference on whether it's one of his songs or not. Ditto Link to post Share on other sites
calvino Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 I think he could play good faster when he wasn't singing lead. Think of the blazing speed he could get into on Saint of Circumstance and Let It Grow and Lazy Lightning. I might be over-stating it, or maybe its my imagination, because he certainly solo'd great on plenty of his own songs, but I hear something different when he didn't have to pay attention to when he had to step back up to the mic after a hot solo when it was a Bobby song. Plus those odd chords and time signatures of Bobby's songs gave him a very interesting and very different foil to solo against compared to the Hunter Garcia songs, I think, and I really like listening to him play guitar on Bob's songs. This is it for me -- Garcia wrote pretty straight forward songs - chord wise and, to a point, rhythm.It was always interesting to hear what Garcia would do in those funky/odd chords/rhythm of Weir's. Link to post Share on other sites
jw harding Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Been enjoying Garcia's playing on Estimated a lot lately, though it certainly isn't fast. Does provide him a dark, weird context to solo in. My favorite part of many Weir tunes is Garcia's contribution. Like in the Dylan covers, Masterpiece, Desolation Row, etc., when Garcia kicks in with the backing vocals, that space right there is heaven, takes it to the next level. "You can hear them blow..." Link to post Share on other sites
calvino Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 My favorite is Promised Land -- Garcia always seems to rip it behind Weir vocals and rhythm - I never tire of that tune. The whole below verse gets me every time. Garcia is always great. Los Angeles give me Norfolk Virginia,Tidewater four ten O nineTell the folks back home this is the promised land callin'And the poor boy's on the line. Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted February 9, 2017 Author Share Posted February 9, 2017 Old Bob did not write that though (just for the kids out there.) Looks Like Rain is a great song - particularity with the pedal steel parts. Link to post Share on other sites
calvino Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Old Bob did not write that though (just for the kids out there.) Looks Like Rain is a great song - particularity with the pedal steel parts. Yeah I know that - it's the whole Garcia in the support role was what I was getting at --- It's 'an ol Chuck song', as Keith would say. Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted February 9, 2017 Author Share Posted February 9, 2017 I figured you did. I always have to hear Black Throated Wind after Looks Like Rain. And I just did that. Link to post Share on other sites
jw harding Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Some great versions of Looks Like Rain, where the rest of the band drops away and it's just Bob's vocals and Garcia's guitar. That's quintessential GD right there. Thinking 6/22/1991. Great show. Link to post Share on other sites
Shug Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Does anybody have Dave's Picks Vol 2 from 7-31-74 Dillon Stadium Hartford, CT? Is the beginning of Scarlet Begonias clipped like it is on all the SBDs on archive.org? And ditto about Garcia's high harmony backing vocals on Promised Land and the Dylan tunes and others, those could be such choice little moments of fantasticness to my ears, too! Link to post Share on other sites
mountain bed Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Plus those odd chords and time signatures of Bobby's songs gave him a very interesting and very different foil to solo against compared to the Hunter Garcia songs, I think, and I really like listening to him play guitar on Bob's songs.THIS Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 I'm going for THIS:http://www.glidemagazine.com/179695/jerry-garcias-legendary-wolf-guitar-auctioned-benefit-southern-poverty-law-center/ Link to post Share on other sites
i'm only sleeping Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Does anybody have Dave's Picks Vol 2 from 7-31-74 Dillon Stadium Hartford, CT? Is the beginning of Scarlet Begonias clipped like it is on all the SBDs on archive.org? I have it, don't hear any clipping... Link to post Share on other sites
calvino Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Maybe everyone on the board can chip and we can all share the Wolf on a monthly basis. The money will go to a good cause, which is good. Link to post Share on other sites
Shug Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 I have it, don't hear any clipping...THX! Might try to seek it out, but not for $250 on Amazon, sheesh! Link to post Share on other sites
Lammycat Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 THX! Might try to seek it out, but not for $250 on Amazon, sheesh!Same here. No interruptions. Mine's a burn from the discs. $250? Geez-us. Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted February 10, 2017 Author Share Posted February 10, 2017 Try discogs.com. Link to post Share on other sites
i'm only sleeping Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 ^ PM if you want a dropbox or something... Link to post Share on other sites
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