nathanb

I like the Wiltern, thought it's been a while since I've seen a show there. Like I said, I saw Wilco there a while back. I can't speak at all for the Pomona venue however. I'd never heard of it.

Nathan

Thanks Gogo,

I appreciate the info on the Wiltern. I saw them there on the AGIB tour and got to the front of the second section (i.e. not on the floor, in front of the stage), and I just wasn't sure/couldn't remember how that all worked. Granted, that was the best view I've ever had of the band at a show (the last to dates have been at the Greek). And thanks for the information on pre-sale %, another mystery to me.

Nathan

I'm aware that the Wiltern is GA. For some reason though, I'm still paranoid. If I got the kind of seats I got at the Greek, will I even get tickets for the Wiltern? Also, aren't there two different GA sections? If so, does just getting there early allow you access to the front. Has anyone here done the presale, particularly for a small venue like the Wiltern.

Thanks again for your help,

Nathan

There are few certainties for me in contemporary music, save for the fact that Wilco are my favorite band. I first knew about them around the time of

Yes, the 'In Rainbows' was a big topic for discussion. I'm aware that, for many artists, touring, merchandising, licensing etc... can be a much better revenue stream. Does anyone have any specifics. It doesn't have to be Wilco. They're just a) my favorite band and a band that seems to have some interesting run-ins with the biz.

i think it was in Book Forum, but i'm not sure...i might have it somewhere. i thought the magazine printed a larger list, but when I went to the book forum site, i just found this...

JEFF TWEEDY (MUSICIAN, Wilco)

I recently read a collection of essays: BUBBLEGUM MUSIC IS THE NAKED TRUTH: THE DARK HISTORY OF PREPUBESCENT POP, FROM THE BANANA SPLITS TO BRITNEY SPEARS, edited by Kim Cooper and David Smay. If an anthropologist from the distant future came back to our time, *NSYNC would tell him more about our culture than any Will Oldham record

i'm teaching a class on the music industry (Music as a Business) and I'm always looking for tidbits/anecdotes to spice of the lectures. i've given examples from Wilco a few times:

- streaming their music online including albums before they're released.

- the YHF fiasco

- the fact that the label told them they need another single for 'summer teeth' and jeff came up with 'i can't stand it'

- the VW commercials

i've also shown them some clips from IATTBYH.

i'd be curious to know if anyone has anything to add to this list. these are just a few things off the top of my head and i'm sure there many things i've forgotten.

one thing i was particularly interested in (actually what got me to start the thread): i remember a few years ago reading an article where they mentioned how much money tweedy and co. make off turing (vs. how much they actually make through the sale of album). anyone know where that is?

anyway, i thought it would be interesting to start a post on wilco and their relationship with the industry...

nathan

just thought i'd mention a couple more bill fay releases. he recorded another album, 'tomorrow, tomorrow, and tomorrow,' i believe around a decade after 'totlp'...not quite as good as the first two records, but well worth picking up if you like bill fay. also, a compilation of alternate takes, unreleased material called 'from the bottom of an old grandfather clock' which is fantastic and a nice companion to the first two records. thanks for posting the kcrw performance of 'be not so fearful.'

But the mix is for someone else, right?

 

I'd just lend your brother Being There, YHF, and Summerteeth and let him sort through them.

Yeah, the mix is for someone else, but the point is for me to show him why I love the band. It doesn't make any sense to me to try and turn him on with songs that don't get me really excited. I understand what you're saying though, because 'Shot' definitely seems like a favorite, but I also wanted to make the mix something I thoroughly loved. Somethign that represented MY favorite aspects of Wilco.

Even though I'm not crazy about 'Shot', I do have to say that I really enjoyed it at the Greek (esp. the ending).

AND, I thought about giving him more music. If I made a double disc, I could fit more songs on, right?

I just know that can be a hard way to get into a band...too hard to digest that much music all at once. Hence the single disc hors devours plate.

thanks cryptique! they WERE all about that record 11 years ago!

That's the second time in 2 days that I've read a semi-negative thing about A Future Age. I know She's A Jar is a better song, but am I the only one that really thinks A Future Age is a great great song?

 

And NathanB, I think that's a really good mix there.

Nope, I love that song...like I said, the 'Sunken Treasure' DVD really brought it to my attention again and it's been a strong favorite ever since.

And thanks for the positive response to the mix.

yep, i love 'ashes' too...amazing song.

i'd actually thought about buying him 'kicking tv'

also thought about getting him 'sunken treasure,' though that's obviously leaving out a big part of what wilco's about...like everybody else that's played on the records.

while for some 'being there' is what wilco is all about, i really feel like the band got better with each record through 'ghost'

i initally felt like 'sbs' was the first record where they didn't take a big leap, but they seemed to be growing so fast, i wonder where they could have gone if they kept trying to expand in maybe more extreme or 'obvious' ways...and i know for some, including myself, a return to a sort of simplicity is in fact a method of expanding, and not always a step back...'sbs' is a beautiful addition to the wilco catalog, though i'm still too close to it to rank it amongst the other records.

oh...back to 'being there'...for me, its an essential part of what wilco's about, though it's hardly the whole story...i think 'outtasite' is a good representation of that, though i know i'm skewed toward the post-'summerteeth' output.

thanks for the feedback

i actually do like iattbyh stripped on just acoustic.

it was nice hearing that style at the la greek show.

unfortunately, i don't have the audio for that on a cd...i should, and i imagine it wouldn't be hard to figure out how to get it.

pot kettle black is definitely a favorite too.

i wasn't trying to be too heavy on yhft, though i love the album, it just turned out that way

i like she's a jar, but the sunken treasure performance of 'in a future age' really won me over on that song.

it could be argued that 'via chicago' or 'she's a jar' better songs though.

i've been working on a wilco mix. it started because i wanted to give something to my brother in an attempt to turn him on to

my favorite band. i also wanted something i could give people in general who i thought might like tweedy and co. i'd be

curious to know what people think.

based on reading the board, i know there are some unpopular decisions which i will attempt to

answer:

nothing from a.m: i tried, honestly

the late greats? really?: yes, i love that song, always have.

no 'shot in the arm'? 'iattbyh?': two songs that, maybe i've heard too much...i know they're probably favorites, but they just

don't pack the punch for me that some of the others do.

oh, btw: i went for wilco, studio records exclusively, nothing live, no loose fur, no outtakes/alternate takes...that'll be

for another mix...and i had to throw in a guthrie song...believe me, there were some tough decisions that still kill me...

so here it is...

misunderstood

impossible germany

i'm the man who loves you

hummingbird

outtasite (outta mind)

side with the seeds

how to fight loneliness

jesus etc.

you are my face

muzzle of bees

kamera

airline to heaven

in a future age

theologians

summer teeth

poor places

reservations

the late greats

Yeah, I'd say check out the non-Wilco Tweedy you like and go from there. I'm honestly not that familiar with Golden Smog myself, even though I should be. I've recently gotten into "Family Gardener" a Tweedy-sung song on the Minus 5's 'Down With Wilco' album (which you can see Tweedy and Scott McCaughey playing backstage on the 'Sunken Treasure' DVD). I CAN say that I love Loose Fur. Both albums are great though I think 'Born Again in the USA' is a little more coherent/solid as a whole album. Both discs, however, have stunning Tweedy songs that IMO rank among his absolute best, particularly...

"Laminated Cat" (aka "Not for the Season") and "Chinese Apple"....from the Self-Titled debut.

"Wreckroom"...from "Born Again"

If you like Tweedy though, you absolutely can't go wrong with either and will need to own both.

Thanks, I got the setlist, from the first thread I believe. I had a hard time tuning in to the podcast. I tried it with the enhanced CD, but it souns like I didn't need to use it. Either way I couldn't listen to the stream. Hoping it'll be in the archives soon.not podcast...I mean stream.I meant stream, not podcast.

Maybe I'm confused, but I thought Wilco was supposed to play a show in Edmonton on the 18th of this month. I haven't seen any reports on VC yet. Did this happen? There obviously was a show the night before, and one two nights after complete with setlists on VC and wilcobase. Just thought I'd check...I'd love to see a set list for that night. I'm checking the board constantly for any reports on this leg of the tour...can't wait for the LA Greek show next Wednesday.

I love the Relatively Clean Rivers album...picked it up when I first heard Tweedy mention it a while back. Here's some information on other bands related to RCR from Acid Archives. All involve Phil Pearlman. I haven't heard any of his other projects. Some might be more experimental which is fine by me. I'd also love to hear anything similar to RCR because I love that record so much...

BEAT OF THE EARTH (Los Angeles, CA)

"Beat Of The Earth" 1967 (Radish as-0001) [500p]

"Beat Of The Earth" 199 (Radish, Europe) [60p; bootleg; plain white labels]

"Beat Of The Earth" 2004 (CD Radioactive, UK)

The sleeve says "If you're looking for psychedelic music, do not buy this album unless you're looking for psychedelic music", a fair summing up of this demented cerebral acid-vibe journey. One of the big discoveries of the late 1980s and it certainly is one trancey organ/guitar tribal surfpsych jam trip stretched over two full sides. Warning: this is too far out for many, though I certainly dig it - close to the heart of the LSD experience, even while the main creative force behind it was opposed to drugs. Essential. Phil Pearlman was the main creative force behind the band, and went on to several related projects. [PL]

"Electronic Hole" 1970 (Radish as-0002)

"Electronic Hole" 2004 (CD Radish)

The most recent discovery in the amazing Phil Pearlman back catalog is this late 1960s drone psych extravaganza. Shorter tracks with clear song structures yet threatening to dissolve into atonal chaos at any moment. Hard to compare to anything else, but Velvet Underground and Zappa influences can be detected, alongside typical westcoast psychedelia with sitars and backwards tapes. Vibe is a bit like Mad River or 50 Foot Hose, true freak sounds from a freaky era, except more garagey. Some melodic moves clearly point towards Relatively Clean Rivers, although six years and another complete metamorphosis lie inbetween. [PL]

~~~

see -> Relatively Clean Rivers; Joyride

"Our Standard Three-minute Tune" 1994 (Radish 0001

...is at the top of my list of albums released this year,

...i am excited to hear live at the greek in august, and

...makes me want to hear what the next wilco record will be like.

you are my face

impossible germany

sky blue sky

side with the seeds

hate it here

walken

Even though there has been plenty of discussion on this topic already, I had to add my 2 cents because I have been thinking about this a lot, checking the wilcobase site and the message board for recent set lists. I have no problem with them devoting the majority of the set to SBS...I love the record. It's just that they seem to be drawing on a very small selection of older songs. Sure the new group is polished, but there seemed to be a lot more variety even circa "Kicking Televisions," so I don't think that has everything to do with it, though it may have something to do with it. KT-era Wilco, as good as they were, seemed to take less risks than Wilco incarnations of the past, even if the set lists did have more variety. So my vote is, stick to a SBS heavy set list, but mix up the rest a little more. I'm excited for the LA Greek show and am hoping the set loosens up a little more by that point in the tour.