Brigs

Yes please do. Save us from ourselves and from Lance as well...

 

LouieB

you're giving me way too much credit, i promise I'm no threat to any of the wonderful people in the VC community

yes i started a thread as a complaint toward wilco fans that I had encountered at a show. we had/have a disagreement and as a result came a healthy 3-day debate over our opinions. even though we differ in opinions, why do you feel it necessary to intervene in our debate and block the thread? I understand you have the power to do so, congrats to you. But come on man, no one is being blatantly called out or offended here, why not just sit back and observe on your own instead of feeling the need to flex your imaginary muscle? the whole idea behind a message board is to voice an opinion that would normally be interrupted or overlooked. Although I disagree with most the responses in the "UIC Night 2" thread, I still greatly appreciate and enjoy the idea of free thoughts and opinions. So who are you to stop that?

I guess that's cool

Who was it started this whiny thread again?

Me. But the funny thing is Ive done the least amount of whining here. Since I started the thread 3 days ago Ive checked back a couple times to see that Wilco fans are still arguing over this. At least a few VCers like Party and Docshock have realistic views towards concert-going. And also I found it funny how tweedy actually called out the fans sitting in the front for being the same people there every night. Personally, if I had just waited 8 hours outside the arena only to be made fun of by the lead singer, I would reconsider how cool it actually is to be a die-hard Wilco fan.

this thread is still going!!?

Also please tell me how many shows you've gone to, because I'm really curious. I've been to a lot, too, and I want to know what kind of number you're talking about.

hundreds and hundreds. i have no idea how many exactly, but im sure not nearly as many as you. I apologize for my poor use of grammar, next time i'll take my message board comments to the writing center before i post them.

and I just want to say, by no means did that experience reflect on my opinion of the band or the show itself. I think Wilco is a brilliant group, and last night's show was great. however im not sure if I would bother going to see them again in a GA environment.

So are you daft? Have trouble with social cues? Or like a teenager or what?

no a 22 y/o who has obviously been to alot more shows in my life than anyone else here. this argument is getting stale, but I just can't believe some people actually convince themselves that they are bigger fans just because they wait outside a show for 8+ hrs. I hate to compare the phish scene to wilco, because its not fair to phish, but I drove 15 hours to virginia to see all 3 of the phish reunion shows last spring which were all GA. people were offering $900 per ticket to get in the first night. I waited outside the gates for about 2 hrs so i could get a decent spot. I ended up about 3 rows from the center of the stage. by the time phish actually went on, i was about 8 rows back because as the place filled in, people would make their way forward. Not once did i hear a single person bitch because of people pushing their way forward, including myself. everyone was so happy to be in that room sharing the experience, that it just didn't matter if others' were cramming your space. my point is that there is nothing any of you can say to convince me that I was out of line and everyone else was right just because they waited in line longer. my ticket was the same as everyone else's, when you go to a show, you make accommodations for people. had i waited 8 hrs to get into the show (which you couldn't pay me to do), I still wouldn't give a shit if other people made their way to where i was, I guess because thats the type of person i am.

If I were asking someone to give me some personal space and they started telling me I was crazy, I might become a little angry too. In his OP Lance says he dislikes when other people do it, but says everything was totally fine when he did it. I have to think the crowd's reactions were due to circumstances beyond his perception that he and his girlfriend were in a vast empty space near the front.

What i said said was I dont like when people push their way to the front. last night we simply walked through the crowd and settled in a spot where no one was standing. Yes it was close quarters but what do you expect at a GA show? by no means did we impose on anyone's personal space. And I'm sorry but just because one VCer decides to post a list of concert etiquette rules (which is totally lame btw) doesnt mean I care if some people decided to wait outside for 8 hours. I wasnt trying to be disrespectful last night, and I am not now. But in a crowded room full of concert-goers, its gonna be crowded regardless, thats why everyone had the option to buy seats.

Some other VC threads on concert etiquette, if you want some experiences from other people:

 

Concert Etiquette

 

Rudeness at Wilco Shows

 

The first one also contains a link to another, hilarious discussion on women at Wilco shows.

of course theres another side to the story, but bottom line is 2 people are not going to ruin the concert experience for everyone else by walking to the front during the opening act. once they initially asked us to move, we did. we backed up about 2 rows and the same people, who were now in front of us, continued to yell at us. I love wilco, their music is great, but the fans are way too uptight. Its a rock concert, not a golf outing. The concept of etiquette is insane and for a 40 year old man with earplugs to tell a young 21 year old girl to "get the fuck out of here" was completely out of line.

Just because there is a small space to fit into doesn't mean it is okay. That is just my opinion but we had the same problem in Dallas. It is nice to not be smashed together and that doesn't start to happen until people like you decide you can worm your way to the front even though people waited in line all day. Sorry if this comes off as rude, again it is just my opinion but I think I have to side with the guys and gals yelling at you even if they might have gone about it in a better way.

yeah but it's a general admission rock show. you're gonna bump elbows with people. That wasn't even my only problem with the fans last night. During the show one woman asked my friend if she could please stop dancing because she was obstructing her view. come on, thats ridiculous. I understand people getting upset if we were actually getting in their way, but we weren't. there was plenty of room.

Last night myself and a girl friend of mine went to see Wilco at the UIC pavilion. We had GA tix and got there towards the end of Tortoise's opening set. She really wanted to get close so we began to make our way up to the front. At that point there were not too many people on the floor yet so it was very easy to get up toward the stage. when we made it to about the 3rd row, we received dirty looks from everyone around us. As soon as Tortoise was done, someone said to us, "Are you two gonna leave now?" from there we were surrounded by about 10 angry Wilco fans who had all apparently been waiting outside the arena since 11 am. When i told them that they were crazy for waiting outside an arena for 8 hours for a non-sold out show, they began insulting us with extremely vulgar comments. for example, they said we were completely rude, total buzz kills, and had poor concert etiquette. And the dude who was yelling at my friend was holding a pair of ear plugs. Personally i do get a little annoyed when im at a show and people are constantly pushing their way through the crowd to get up to the front, but I want to emphasize that that wasnt the case last night. there was plenty of room for people to fill in, but these people just couldn't handle the fact that we had gotten just as close as them without waiting outside all day. Eventually we moved to a different spot because there were at least 20 people yelling at us telling us to leave. I have never experienced anything like that at a show.