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Including "Broken Arrow" we are up to approximately 46 different songs in 6 shows. Not too shabby at all especially since Vancouver was a festival like set-up. Much love for "AGIB". By my reckoning the only songs not played from it so far are "Less Than You Think" and "Company In My Back".

Palin quit because of the ludicrous number of frivolous lawsuits being filed against her that were costing the Alaskan taxpayers millions of dollars. Bayh is quitting because it's not going his way. You're right there is no comparison! Palin made a choice based on the best interest of her State and Bayh made a choice based on a lack of intestinal fortitude. imho

 

Then again maybe there is a scandal brewing...

Palin quit Alaska because she's a complete opportunist. She smelt the millions of dollars awaiting the publishing of her book, a spot on TV and lucrative speaking engagements. Again, laughable that the only major politician I know who has actually signed a windfall tax on oil companies and used the revenues to give families energy rebates (i.e.: "socialism in action") is now associated with the Tea Party.

Beautiful Victoria, and in the rain shadow of the Olympics. It was really nice weather considering what was going on back in Seattle. Just back from the boat not too long ago (the crossing was really rough tonight - lots of people got sick from the huge storm swells in the Strait of Juan de Fuca - I took dramamine before leaving and enjoyed the rocking and rolling) As Jeff said in the show in talking about how Victoria had moved way up their favorite places list: 'you have to take a boat to get here. How good is that?'. Meant positively of course.

 

Of the three shows (Portland, Seattle, Victoria) I saw this past week, I liked Victoria the best. The crowd did a nice job of welcoming the band with a standing ovation right when they entered, and Jeff seemed pleased. The sound quality was by far the best of the three venues. The setlist was really great and wasn't shut down by an 11 PM venue curfew, like Seattle. What a finish, with I Got You, Hoodoo Voodoo, and I'm a Wheel.

 

Seattle far and away won the Jesus, etc. test, and you could tell that some of the Victoria crowded didn't know alot of the songs, but people were into it. More should've stood up on certain songs where it was a mix of standing and sitting. Jeff had complimented Portland for figuring out knowing when to stand and sit 'all by yourselves'. But it was a great show anyway, and man, the sound quality and energy of the band were incredible.

 

Here are a few photos, starting with one of the beautiful Parliment Building - then to the show:

Thanks for the pics which are excellent. Thanks a lot for sharing. The one of the Parliament building is a beauty. I took a few photos and though not up to your standard the close the colours illuminated behind the band really enhance them. Re: your post in a separate thread - I really dig the set and lighting. I was close to the front for both the shows and wonder if it looked even better further back. Sad that it's going probably going to be sometime before I see Wilco again. I think the people going to the "Evening With Wilco" shows in the spring are in for a treat.

LOL...Sarah Palin the only known socialist to be discussed or should I say be invited to given the keynote address at the Tea Party conference. Whilst Governor of Alaska she signed a windfall tax on oil company profits and later went on to use the monies raised to give every Alaska family an energy rebate. (I used to live in Alaska)

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008103325_alaskatax07.html

Another fantastic show. After Seattle, brilliant to get the full set-list (26 songs including "Spiders" for the first-time in the tour. I had requested "I Got You" so was delighted to hear the opening strains of "Red, Eyed and Blue". Thought the crowd was probably composed more of local folks happy to get a well-known band in their home-town as opposed to die-hard Wilco fans. (Definitely a younger crowd than Seattle.) That said, by the end of the encores tons of people were on their feet. Crowd gave Nels a standing ovation at the end of "Impossible Germany". Jeff said something alone the lines that was the first time Nels had worn sports shoes on stage and you (the crowd) just got dunked. Some nice banter with the crowd overall and Jeff's interactions seemed less forced than in Seattle. Other observations. Encores took the show to a higher level than Seattle. But opening medley of songs didn't quite hit the mark of the previous gig. In Seattle, the extension of "IATTBYH" into "One Wing" and then followed by "Radio Cure" was killer. Fantastic small venue with incredible acoustics. So lucky to be only 7 rows back from the stage. Two great days in Victoria. British Columbia - as beautiful as any part of the Pacific Northwest and with the nicest people.

Wonderful show!! I'm so glad my concerns from seeing the first 2 sets were alleviated when they added 'Wilco' 'I'll Fight' and 'You Never Know' into the set. Hope to catch 'Sonny Feeling' and maybe even 'Country Disappeared' at one of the BC shows. The whole run in the middle of the set (Break Yr Heart, One Wing, Radio Cure, Pot Kettle Black, Handshake Drugs, Deeper Down, Impossible Germany..okay, every song?) was just electrifying. Stellar solo on 'Germany', as always. Was very delighted to hear 'Radio Cure'.

 

Set list had 'Red-Eyed', 'I Got You', and 'Casino Queen' before 'Hoodoo' but alas, curfew voodoo. "Hoodoo" was amazing though, Nels and Pat's duel never grows old.

 

Jeff seemed happy with the standing room general admission on the floor/seats in the balcony arrangement. Hope he's not disappointed tomorrow in Victoria, which is all seated (and will likely not be a wild crowd). Hope my hometown proves me wrong...

Oh man. So sad. I requested "I Got You". Had a hunch they might play it as it was listed in the top three requests on the Wilco website. If there's anyone from the band organisation reading this board make my dream come true for Victoria (I imagine BBOP could be part of the roadcrew 'cos he seems to report after almost every show).

Another great show. Nice to be indoors after seeing them last outdoors in Berkeley. Opening sequence between "Wilco The Song and Radio Cure" was brilliant. Stage-set and lighting were excellent. Thought the crowd took awhile to get warmed up. Band seemed relaxed and Jeff in particular looked to be having a blast. Pretty talkative. But think it's a slight weight for him when the crowd expect him to be funny. Version of "Broken Arrow" was spot-on. "Box Full of Letters" and "Hoodoo Voodoo" were a great one-two punch to end the night. Think the set-list was probably longer but curfew meant Wilco ended just after 11 after starting right about at nine. By the end the band looked ready to play all night. It was fun only being 30 feet back from the stage standing. Very minor quibbles. Singalong version of "Jesus etc" isn't my cup of tea. "I'll Fight" doesn't shine live. Overall, a really fun rockin' show. Friend who went with me who had never seen Wilco before loved it. Friends from Portland who saw last night's show appreciated the more rocking show tonight. Overall. Fantastic. Wilco one of the best live bands. Nels Cline amazing as always. Musicianship just terrific throughout the show. So many textures and so much variety. Time for bed. Peace

Wilco The Song

Shot In the Arm

Bull Black Nova

You Are My Face

IATTBYH

One Wing

Radio Cure

Pot Kettle Black

Happy Birthday (sung to one of the stage crew (Jason)"

Handshake Drugs

Deeper Down

Impossible Germany

I'll Fight

Jesus Etc (Singalong)

Hate It Here

Walken

Theologians

I'm The Man Who Loves You

Hummingbird

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Broken Arrow

Via Chicago

California Stars with Bill Frissell and Scott McCaughey (sic?)

You'll Never Know

Box Full of Letters

Hoodoo Voodoo

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Order may be slightly askew between "Pot Kettle Black" and "Hate it Here".

Another great show. Nice to be indoors after seeing them last outdoors in Berkeley. Opening sequence between Wilco The Song and Radio Cure was faultless. Stage-set and lighting were excellent. Thought the crowd took awhile to get warmed up. Band seemed relaxed and Jeff in particular looked to be having a blast. Pretty talkative. But think it's a slight weight for him when the crowd expect him to be funny. Version of "Broken Arrow" was spot-on. "Box Full of Letters" and "Hoodoo Voodoo" were a great one-two punch to end the night. Think the set-list was probably longer but curfew meant Wilco ended just after 11 after starting right about at nine. By the end the band looked ready to play all night. It was fun only being 30 feet back from the stage standing. Very minor quibbles. Singalong version of "Jesus etc" isn't my cup of tea. "I'll Fight" doesn't shine live. Overall, a really fun rockin' show. Friend who went with me who had never seen Wilco before loved it. Friends from Portland who saw last night's show appreciated the more rocking show tonight. Overall. Fantastic. Wilco one of the best live bands. Nels Cline amazing as always. Musicianship just terrific throughout the show. So many textures and so much variety. Time for bed. Peace

Here's the actual setlist, in order:

 

Bull Black Nova

You Are My Face

One Wing

I am Trying to Break Your Heart

Company in My Back

At Least That's What You Said

Deeper Down

Impossible Germany

Passenger Side

Handshake Drugs

Shot in the Arm

Remember the Mountain Bed

Jesus Etc.

Sonny Feeling

Hate It Here

Walken

I'm the Man Who Loves You

Hummingbird

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Broken Arrow

Via Chicago

California Stars

Late Greats

Heavy Metal Drummer

Casino Queen

Hoodoo Voodoo

I'm a Wheel

 

 

Excellent show, but other than throwing Broken Arrow into the mix, I think the setlist was about as vanilla as they come. I was hoping for a few more "reaching into the catalog" songs, and not quite as many "we play these every single night" songs.

I think the band are pretty smart about how they do set-lists. If they are visiting cities that have never or rarely played before you'll get a set-list like this which includes a higher percentage of live staples. If they are playing a city they visit frequently then they mix up the set-list more attempting to play stuff they haven't in that city ever or for some time. Given this, the fact they solicit requests from the website and lastly they will be doing their next tour with no support act to allow for longer and more varied set-lists, really there is very little to gripe about.

I'd love to hear Wilco do the suite from "Abbey Road" - "Sun King" through "The End". I think this incarnation of Wilco is tailor-made to nail these songs. I know that the talk of cover versions is somewhat divisive on this forum but as I have said before I'd love for them to throw a cover or two into their current sets.

They absolutely would approve of it.

 

I want to know what do you have to fear by watching another commercial lobbing for your vote? What's the difference?

Oppressing many voices is oppressing one voice, and is absolutely in violation of the 1st Amendment.

 

I also believe you have the facts wrong, only American base companies can contribute. So a company based in London (or any evil country that is currently terrifying the US) that has many subsidiaries here in America cannot contribute (not that it does not happen with both sides).

Again - where is the common sense? I remember the day that Hillary Clinton was elected to the Senate sitting in a cafe in Vancouver, B.C.. Her campaign had cost more than the combined total for the recently held Canadian parliamentary systems. The huge and excessive pools of money that slosh around our political system devalue the average vote and put our politicians far too closely under the influence of their campaign contributors.

I live in Washington state where we have an enormous budget deficit. Most people have forgotten it was already a massive problem before the recession of 2008/2009 because in large part our Governor Christine Gregoire helped to ensure her best campaign contributors in the public sector unions were rewarded with better contracts and pensions. Look at the causes of the financial crisis which nearly took down our economy and that of the entire world simultaneously. Part of the reason that politicians from both parties were so keen to deregulate Wall Street or not question the demands of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were the vast amounts that they have taken from the financial sector in contributions for a long-time. Health-care reform. A bipartisan approach will always be hard to achieve as long as the Democrats are in the pocket of plaintiff attorneys. I could go on forever. To think that an even greater deluge of money from corporations and unions is a good thing or even neutral is delusional. Maybe I'd consider the Tea Party attractive if they'd militate for term limits for all politicians and (limited) public funding for all elections.

can't make it. Will call tkts - so we will have to figure out how to get you to pick them up. please email at jrobertson78@hotmail.com

Praise from Elvis Costello:

 

http://www.spinner.com/2010/02/02/elvis-costello-2010-tour/

 

Costello was very impressed with the night's music, singling out a few performances that stood out to him. "Wilco were amazing. That was impressive that they put so much work in. I don't imagine Buffalo Springfield ever played that song cause it's kind of a collage," he told Spinner of their rendition of 'Broken Arrow' at the Grammy Awards. "So impressive that they learned it, and Ben Harper was great as well. A lot of great performances."

I can only hope Wilco play it on the upcoming tour.

I've been listening to the three Spoon albums I own (KTM, GF, GGGGG) and for me Spoon is awesome on a mix cd here and there, but a whole album at once is hard for me. I just don't connect with anything lyrically from them and the whole cool vibe and sound grows old after 4 or 5 songs. I guess it is kind of like the Strokes for me. I guess I'm missing the connection on a deeper level outside of "Man that is a sweet groove"

I am in agreement with you. Again, a purely personal thing - but while enjoying Spoon haven't loved one of their albums all the way through. I am getting ready to cull my Spoon collection down to the best 4 - 6 songs from each album. It's funny you reference the Strokes. Couldn't agree more.Some great individual songs but a band whose music I don't connect to on anything but a superficial level.

what chance outta left-field a Neil Young cover?

Come on guys it is something that does not happen over night.

 

There was a government option, and then there was not one, and then there was one, and no one really knows because they prohibit anyone to see it, read it and negotiations were behind closed doors. The leaders of the house, senate and Obama all wanted a single payer system and they were making every effort to get one. The senators and congress have no idea what they were voting for. Which is of course not out of the ordinary with any bill. Hence Kerry's problems in 2004, and many other senators when facing a governor when competing for the Presidency.

 

However when government is competing in business they have unfair advantage. When costs become to great government can simply raise taxes and subsidize the costs where other companies have to raise prices. Thus slowly taking out the competition and taking over the industry, and when the competition is gone services and value declines.

At this point, I gracefully retire from this thread. Back to the music

How is the current senate bill a "government takeover" of health care?

You obviously don't listen to Sean Hannity, Glen Beck, or Rush Limbaugh. Even though there is no public option and there's nothing that remotely looks like a single-payer system this is undoubtedly, according to these pundits, phase one of a government take-over of healthcare. The temerity of these out-of-touch extreme left-wingers. They won't he content until the Government controls every aspect of your life.

Obama has thrown the full weight of his Presidency behind this initiative so yes it is Obamacare. Monstrosity is an apt description so if the shoe fits... I completely agree with you about Bush's Medicare Prescription Drug Act. Which is precisely why we should not give government any bigger role in health care. Politicians just cannot say no. They'll align with anyone who will help them get reelected no matter what it costs the taxpayer. They have bankrupted Medicare and now they're going after another 1/6th of the American economy. Enough is enough.

 

Oh and factcheck.org is a mouth piece of and funded by the left so it is hardly an unbiased representation of the facts.

Funny that factcheck.org is used by both Republican and Democrat politicians to counter the arguments of their opponents. (I don't watch Fox News religiously so hadn't heard it was biased before) I think if you look at the link you'll see stuff that supports your point about a large portion of the uninsured being under the age of 30.

I know it's goes against conventional logic but in other countries where the Government has a far bigger role in healthcare than the U.S. based on results healthcare is more efficient and costs less. I didn't say better just that it consumes about half of what it does here as a percentage of GDP and health outcomes (with the exception of some cancer survival rates) are the same or better.

Part of the problem is that people do not shop around when they have insurance coverage. I am not talking about emergency care, but treatment and preventative care is hardly shopped around, because someone else (insurance) is paying for it. Two doctors each on the other end of town may have a difference in $300.00 when it comes to treatment or surgery or whatever. If you were shopping for a tv you would be driving across town to pick it up, but if you were using another person's money you might not make the effort to go across town. On that notion I like the idea of health savings account.

Totally agree with you there. High-deductible plans have definitely encouraged me to more closely monitor my spending.

If you are being respectful, I do not mind the harp.

When Republicans where in control in the early 2000 Bush signed into the law medicare prescription bill. With the assumption that the price would not skyrocket. Well the price has skyrocketed. Its the same story here. Price will skyrocket. We need to stop doing the exact thing over and over again.

Part of the reason is that the bill doesn't allow Medicare to bargain with the Drug Companies. The mother of all handouts.

You can research it for yourself.

 

The question to me was, "What is my proposal for the uninsured?" Try to stay with the thread.

 

If you can't tell the difference between what I've proposed and the monstrosity that is Obamacare then yes you are daft.

Obamacare? A term straight from the right-wing pundits. Unlike, Bill Clinton 14 years ago (for better or worse) the President let the Congress and the Senate craft the bill. Monstrosity? Again, straight from the right-wing pundits. Maybe a term you could use it there was an unfunded public option contained within the plan or an unfunded option to cover illegal aliens. If you want to take a look at enacted piece of legislation that is a monstrosity look no further than Bush's Medicare Prescription Drug Act. Passed with no funding (thus guaranteed to increase the deficit), one that didn't allow the Government to bargain with the drug companies and passed after all types of shenanigans in the House of Representatives. At the time called the most fiscally irresponsible bill since the 1960's by the US Comptroller General. Without endorsing it, I would say what you call "Obamacare" pales in comparison. Of course back in 2003 when Bush's Bill passed the right-wing shock jocks were consumed by the Iraq War.

As for your numbers of the uninsured, the largest group without insurance are indeed those under 30. About 20% of those without insurance are non-citizens but this group is composed of legal and non-legal foreign born residents something that your assertion doesn't recognize.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/03/uninsured-us-citizens/

It's an undeniable fact that we all subsidize the the uninsured through the higher premiums which offset the lost revenue that hospitals and medical professionals don't collect from those without insurance.

Also, those without insurance have a 40% higher chance of death than those with coverage. The corresponding figure was 25% in 1993.

I agree with a lot of what you wrote, but:

 

The invisible hand has never been involved in health care, government both state and federal (and yes health care lobbyist) have had their hands all over it.

 

Laser eye surgery has had free run without government intervention and that price has dropped significantly. Also.. thank god same with boob jobs.

Not to harp on about the same point but cosmetic surgery is completely optional and ,as such, with enough providers can be commoditized. That's not true when you are diagnosed with cancer or get badly hurt in an accident.i\

It is not contradicted. The cost for coverage for all is a nice idea of utopia and may work for several generations, but the problem with relying on other peoples money is that it runs out. However the cost will still be there and will continue to increase. Also the good government intentions lead to unintended and usually negative consequences. For example, if a law stated that all businesses must cover their employees with health insurance small and midsized businesses might not hire more people due to the costs.

 

Sure US could cover everyone including the illegals right now.... but only right now.

Take a look at why wage growth has been non-existent in the US since the late nineties. A major reason is the cost to employers (both big and small) for health-insurance. Premiums for businesses have doubled in the last ten years. And that's before you factor in the rise in costs for individuals portion of health insurance at work. Hence, US workers getting pay increases barely in line with inflation despite being far more productive than those in most other developed countries. If healthcare costs continue to rise at current rates the chances for individuals to see their wages rise will continue to be extremely dim. So in theory taxes can stay where they are but the staggering and increasing cost of healthcare will continue to reduce the average persons' standard of living. As I have mentioned before the free market itself will do nothing to correct this.

Wow, great, I came on the internet to donate some $. Good job boys!

Very cool. And, it now looks likely that you can make a donation and write it off 2009 taxes.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/world/2010-01-22-haiti-fees_N.htm

Impossible, and if that phenomenon did happen, the overage would dwindle over time while the costs increased.

 

I have worked in the field of Medicare and if a senior wants real coverage they best get a supplemental PRIVATE insurance.

 

Your sarcasm is not necessary, but if you want we can have fun trying to outwit each other.

 

If government controlled the flat screen tv market, those tubes would still be hovering over ten grand if not more instead the prices have fallen dramatically.

Contradicted by the British model of a single-payer system funded by taxes. Not that I would advocate it for this country which has far different core values especially re: government involvement and taxed . Same or better health outcomes (except for worse cancer survival rates for certain cancers) than the US. At about half the cost in terms of GDP. And as someone who grew up there service ranks between adequate and excellent. Recently had an elderly relative who was diagnosed with Parkinson's disease. Getting to see a specialist undoubtedly took longer than it might here but since then she has been delighted with her treatment and care. I myself had a serious accident as a teenager years and received excellent care and treatment over a nine month period. Finally, private insurance is available to all in Britain. Very few people buy it.

Thank you, Adam Smith. Can you ask Mr. Hand to come up with a way to cover everybody?

The invisible hand actually raises prices for healthcare. People shop based on expertise not price. Also, people buy healthcare when they are in chronic need again giving the suppliers power over consumers. Have a serious accident and you aren't going to be either willing or able to bargain with your supplier or for that matter physically be able to go to a competing healthcare facility when you are bleeding to death at your local E.R.. Professionals in areas like law and medicine often have specialist skills which allow them to charge a premium for the services because there is no real competition amongst providers. Last but not least, health-care professionals are paid fees for services rendered not for results.

As a side-note we like to rail against the insurance companies who have a profit margin of 4% but would never malign health-practitioners whose profit margins might be a big multiple of this. The increase in medical costs isn't driven by insurance companies but by health-care providers, medical malpractice insurance costs, unnecessary testing,new technology, a willingness to extend life at end-of-life scenario's at any cost, the rise in obesity in society, pharmaceuticals,and the cost that hospitals have to absorb by treating those without insurance.