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Sound and Fury was very different. His last few records always made a lot of critical year end lists, but I don't know if I saw this one on any - and, no, that doesn't mean an album is good or not - just a big change in reception for this one.

His 2020 album has all short songs, I believe. He likes to do those 'gimmicks.' I bought the recent record with a song about each year of his life, and it's so daunting that I still haven't listened to it. I did eventually get 69 Love Songs and I don't think I ever listened to it all, just because of the task of doing it. Ha. I also do this with deluxe editions of albums I love - I love the albums so much that i want to hear the other stuff, too, but there's so much I don't get around to it. Maybe I'm the only one.

I enjoyed What's the Story from beginning to end. I bought Be Here Now the day it came out at the mall. Back then, MTV would premiere videos and tell you when an album was going to come out. BHN had the date in the artwork. The album is super-bloated. Liam also seemed to really over do the same rhyme-y simple lyrics. If you read the lyrics Noel is putting his brother down through the lyrics - he wrote them and knew Liam would sing them. Pretty funny if you think about it. "Through my big mouth - you could fly a plane..."

I like WTSMG so much, but never managed a copy of their debut until a couple of years ago. I didn't really like it. It's been awhile, but I don't think the first one has a balance with acoustic guitars, etc., like What's the Story, and just has a lot of guitar fuzz pushed to 11 mastered heavily.

Those were different times - Champagne Supernova was played on the commercial pop stations - could you imagine anything like that played today? Granted, there was a lot of guitar/post grunge stuff, and I don't listen to current commercial pop radio stations now.

I love demos and love Monster. I have always wondered how long the little instrumental at the end of Bang and Blame is, and if a longer version is on disc 2. I'm not really interested in the remastering. I listened to the remastered Kenneth and it sounded like they cut out one of the nice guitar fx sounds in the chorus. I believe it said in the press release that he actually used different takes and stuff for this 'remastering.' Maybe some of it will sound cool, but I like Monster as it is.

I still wonder about the instrumental at the end of Bang and Blame. Does anyone own the box? Do they go on detail about each song? I'm hoping to find the box set cheap sometime, but who knows when that will be. The wikipedia page for the song itself is vague:

When the album version of the song finishes, an untitled instrumental featuring tremolo effects on the guitar amp and amplified slap bass techniques follows, lasting approximately 30 seconds from fade in to fade out.

I ordered the double CD through Wilco and I seemed to get multiple download notices. Did they update or change the downloads? Sorta like what Kanye does sometimes - releases an album digitally and then may change the release later. It's been a while, I just happened to think to ask now.

Me too but I do like demos

I love demos and love Monster. I have always wondered how long the little instrumental at the end of Bang and Blame is, and if a longer version is on disc 2. I'm not really interested in the remastering. I listened to the remastered Kenneth and it sounded like they cut out one of the nice guitar fx sounds in the chorus. I believe it said in the press release that he actually used different takes and stuff for this 'remastering.' Maybe some of it will sound cool, but I like Monster as it is.

Interesting.

Anyone know if this Best Buy exclusive Temple of the Dog CD/LP will require you paying more to have the vinyl shipped to you? They made you pay more with some McCartney reissues. You have to open the product to find out the details. RS Sticky Fingers reissue LP was shipped for no extra cost, but that was Target.

The political banter on this tour was kept to a minimum - it was actually near non-existent, certainly at the 4 shows I attended. There was maybe one remark at the two MSG shows. This tour was much more about connecting with the fans in personally meaningful ways than in making broad political statements.

 

There are no pro-Obama songs. Bu$hleaguer is the only Bush song I can think of. What are the other one or two? BInaural, Riot Act, and Avocado certainly had very topical songs for the times, but no other tunes specifically aimed at Bush.

 

Binaural was originally advertised with a 16-song tracklist. That would have been the closest to a double-album.

Maybe jumped the gun on saying the 2 or 3 anti-Bush songs.

I would have to listen back.

They did perform a very angry or passionate Masters of War on TV, maybe Letterman, while Bush was president (I think?).

I did not know it was a Dylan song at the time and I was like, "Woah, that is heavy, man!" Ha.

I'm not sure why they did the song then. I would have to Google it.

I guess I am supposed to resurrect an old thread instead of starting a new one.

Emitt finally released a new album earlier this year called Rainbow Ends.

I was curious if anyone has heard this album.

I only recently got to hear it and was pleasantly surprised.

I think it most sounds like the 70's.

With a lot of older musicians you can tell the producers try to put slight Auto-Tune on their vocals. Emitt's voice sounds rich and full and the production and playing is top notch.

I would call it mature, sophisticated pop rock?

It's similar to stuff Wilco has done at times.

I remember Jeff saying that when they made agib they had material to make a garage/punk record, a noise rock record and a folk record but they ended up weaving an eclectic album. A while before the Whole Love they talked about doing a double album with rippers on one disc and a sad/beautiful second disc. Once again it didn't happen that way.

I think the one-two punch of Star Wars and Schmilco is the boys finally getting to do something they've talked about for years.

I remember thinking that an AGIB era double album could be made with The Wilco Book material.

At one time I really wanted to try to sequence one. I haven't listened to it all in a while to remember what ideas I had.

Hail to the Thief was actually recorded really quickly. I think they only gave themselves a day to record a song. I saw some interview about it the other day. I forget where, an old one. They went to LA and recorded it instead of somewhere in the UK or their home studio. Another time Phil admitted that HTTT is just too long. I like all the tracks in various ways, but it is pretty long.

My problem with TKOL is that it's short and 8 tracks and they're not all solid.

If they're all solid tracks, then that's great.

I've never been big on Morning Mr Magpie, and then to have Feral take up one of the 8 spots?

I dig instrumentals in albums, Pet Sounds is one of my favorites and it has 2 - Kid A, Amnesiac and OK Computer all kinda have them - basically instrumentals with messed up vocals - but they work in the context of the album as a whole.

Then they released 4 or more solid tracks right after. It was just bad sequencing and choice of tracks imo.

I've streamed A Moon Shaped Pool a couple times. I am really waiting for the CD release though.

I don't care if you're my favorite band, I'm not going to pay for the same album twice - the digital now and the physical CD later.

Now if you add some cool extra unreleased tracks down the road, I will probably be interested.

As much as the band hated Bush as president - I think they had at least 2 or 3 songs about him, maybe more - I wonder if they will start getting really busy if Trump got elected? Ha. I could see Eddie getting really passionate and pissed off about it. Did they write any pro-Obama type songs?

When I was thinking about that, I was wondering if they will ever have a double album, kinda like their Exile.

A double album of all goods songs pretty much recorded live in studio would be nice.

Granted, they pretty much record a lot of it live anyway, I think, the instrumental backing tracks probably.

Are there any rumblings of a bonus track type reissue of Let it Bleed?

Walmart has had the CD for $7.99 (I think?).

I never see the classic albums of the Stones, Beatles or Pink Floyd - classic bands that will have their stuff carried by Walmart - on sale at Walmart (outside of release week sales maybe).

For years I've put off buying a lot of those classic albums because they were marked full retail.
Makes me wonder if they're trying to clear it out before a new release.

What are your feelings on the remix/remaster of It Still Moves?

I haven't heard any of their pre-Z stuff - Z was the first album I bought.

Good reviews and a cheap price made me take a chance on Z (I think it was $7.99 on CD at Best Buy).

Re:CDs

Vinyl wears every time you play it. Now vinyl usually costs 2-3x's as much as the CD version, especially if the album exceeds what can fit on one LP.

Digital - Computers/hard drives die. I'm sure everyone has lost some music from an older computer. Will all the streaming services catalog all their music for years and years?

I'm not sure if CDs have a time limit in regards to the information degrading over time. Seems like I have heard home burned CDs may have a limited shelf life, but I don't know.

I knew REM would be on here the second I saw the title.

Funny thing is, those later records are what got me into them. I saw the overplayed video for Losing My Religion a zillion times and the other thing I knew was Shiny Happy People, which I thought was total corn. Probably saw the Everybody Hurts video, too. Then I saw the Kenneth video and used a BMG CD selection on it. I think it's a great album. I just happened to see the REM by MTV documentary last week, so I listened to Reveal. I think it's great, too. It would be a little better if they used real instruments instead of the electronic/synthesized versions in places, but it never goes too far imo. I'm sure I have more in depth posts on the last REM thread circa Collapse Into Now.

I dig The Rising Tide and Hail to the Thief, too. Could these records benefit from some pruning? Sure.

Ironic thing about these hated albums of the 90's/00's - since vinyl wasn't as popular, a lot of these weren't printed in big numbers, so now their vinyl copies are worth a bunch, but you can get most on CD for next to nothing. I guess the people who were long time fans and hated the albums still bought the vinyl to complete their collections.

Interesting that the vinyl does not come with a digital download. That's pretty rare in post vinyl resurgence/digital times.

Interesting idea. I wonder how it has worked out.

I figure some people will want them to stop and talk and sign the record.

A CD copy coming with the vinyl is a Nonesuch thing. If Anti was including a CD copy with the vinyl it would have been listed along with the download code stuff most likely. I don't see how an extra CD copy would ever be bad unless it was hiking up the price. I would buy more vinyl if they came with CD copies and they were close in price to the standalone CD. Most vinyl is starting to cost 2-3 times as much as the CD counterpart. I would rather have 3 different albums on CD than 1 album on vinyl.

These are weird times for the physical formats of music. The change to a Friday release date also makes it weird for any chain stores who put out Sunday paper ads - Best Buy, Hasting's, Target, etc. I don't live close to any cities big enough to have any cool indie record stores, so my options are these places or ordering online. I like to buy both music and movies, so if a movie is coming out and has some kind of special limited bonus, and an album I wanted came out Friday, I would have to go to the store twice or hope that the limited item was still there on Friday.

I was very surprised that neither Wilco or Dr Dre's albums even got a tiny square of advertising in any of these. Both did the digital first thing though.

I've streamed it twice now. I like every song. Only The Joke Explained seems to not really go anywhere, but it's not bad or too long. If that's the closest to a 'filler' track, that's not bad at all.

The radio interview made it sound like they didn't really look into the legal use of Star Wars. I know the band Eisley used to be called Mos Eisley and when they signed to a major they had to drop the 'Mos' because of George Lucas. The missile defense thing is named after the movie, so I don't know that that helps them any.

Streamed the Pitchfork festival, but haven't heard the album yet. I will try to stream it on my phone. I hate for that to be first since I am doubting my phone will represent the bass well at all. If I could find a 1/4" to 1/4" cord I could send the sound of my phone through my TV sound setup.

Ok. Just checked Wilco's Facebook and looks like you are right.

I am losing my mind. Sorry.

Aren't you off by an hour. It says 8:30 local, which would be Est?

I'm guess Chvrches is going over. No rock shows are ever on time. Ha.

I bought the Target 2CD/LP version.

Don't see how they will make money by charging only $3 more than competitors and then shipping an LP to your house at no extra charge. Hope this free shipping LP thing is a sign of things to come, because I will probably do it every time. All local Targets were sold out Wed after release, but the closest got more in by week's end.

On the album itself, wow, just wow.

I bought the Exile reissue when it came out and got Beggar's Banquet not too long ago. Some great stuff, but I'm digging SF a lot more. Every track is great imo. Need to hear Let it Bleed, but I wonder if a reissue of that is close behind and I may as well wait.

Young borrowed the tune, even talked about it in the song, and still didn't credit them?

Wow. Unless the Wikipedia entry is incomplete, it only lists Young.