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I'm not saying go live in a commune. It's like Henry Miller said, "if you can make it to work, say "fuck you" to your boss, (under your breath, of course,) you've got it half-licked. And when it comes to work, I'm a pretty free and easy dude. I'm not exactly slaving away at a corporate job.

That's the thing with the sell-out, alot of people are out there actually fighting it, who have actually got really spiritually messed up by the meat grinder mentality or whatever. For my part, I haven't actually fought it, but I've done what I can to get away from it, and not to do more damage than necessary to survive; so it's like, where do they get off, saying mass market radio doesn't play their music? when has mass market ever played decent music? Why cave in now when they've already beaten it? They don't want to go on tour, do they think Long haul truckers want to drive for weeks on

Went to adult high school for one year, then college. Straight A's, too, lot of good that did me. So much for public education.

Damn straight I dropped out of high school. Take your best shot. . .

The thing is, we're raised to act according to a moral standard, told to develop our own identity, taught the evils of corporate commercialism in college, and then we've got to go find jobs where we have to act the opposite of all that. So we develop of neuroses and accute awareness of our shortcomings, which marketers then use to sell the product. Since no product can really fill the hole, we've got to buy more. I think we're all kind of aware that's the going thing these days. The key commercial seems particularly blatant in that aspect which is why I brought it up.

What it's meant to do is prey on the insecurities of people in order to convince them to buy a car. I've noticed a trend since I've been back in commercials which use pseudo-violence to sell their product, the example that comes to mind is the Bud Light commercial where the one guy hits his friend over the head in order to take the beer. So, none of us are going to go out and stab anyone for a Volkswagen, but the add is saying the Value of the product is such that it would be worth doing it. I would add it suggests that the target audience doesn't have the balls to actually do something lik

sort a wish I had more cool zingers to banty about. . . You wouldn't happen to be from Union Grove, would you?

Well, the guy in the commercial wouldn't be able to do it. . . So it's a guy pretending to do something he knows can't do in order to prove he's the man he knows he's not? Tweedy wants his songs associated with this type of stuff?

Uhh, I was trying to say, they aren't getting anything out of it.

And if Tweedy is willing to put his stamp on a commercial, the content of which most certainly and definitely advocates killing someone rather than letting them touch your car, then yes, I am blaming Tweedy for all the problems in this country. At the very least, he's not any less responsible than anyone else now.

The last I read on this site, Wilco's album debuted at #4 on the charts, which it probably would have debuted at with or without VW. It has since dropped to at least #23, maybe lower, according to a post on here. So, regardless of whether they should or shouldn't have done it, we should also ask, what are they actually getting out of it? Wilco worked hard for a lot of years to become a well-known, independent band with a reputation for high standards. They weren't selling as much as some bands, but they had consistently put out good stuff that a loyal fan base would buy, along with t-shir

I guess that means, people who don't like Wilco songs being used in VW commercials can formulate at least a rudimentary argument? And it's kind of lame to shut down threads where people are voicing their opinions in this thing, because as much as you don't want to read this, I don't want to hear those songs in those cheesy ads. And just as Tweedy's got the right to sell his songs to whovever he wants, I got the right to say it sucks. At least until the internet police come along.

Alright, thanks guy. I actually had read most of what was posted there. I was sort of disappointed in the fact that alot of was along the lines of stop talking. Alot of it was along the lines that there are facts I can choose to perceive, and there are facts I can choose not to perceive. For that, I sort of think we should be ashamed of ourselves, because this country relies on that type of thing too much. As long as these commercials are running, Volkswagen gets to say what they want, and the fact is Tweedy is selling out and making a big fat hypocrite of himself, whether or not we want

Excuse me, all the songs except the ones volkswagen didn't want. If you would like to elaborate on the rest of that, in the sense that Wilco is not based on being anti-commercialistic, please do. I don't mean not wanting to sell tickets and albums, because everyone has to make a living. Maybe I should anti-consumeristic. I mean, whenever they've made any sort of political statement in their music or otherwise, when has it not been anti-consumerism, let's-all-live-together-in-a-commune type talk. For example, STOP BUYING THINGS in their song Kicking Television, the words at the bottom of t

You could make the same argument about Al Green selling his song to Miller, since he was an ordained preacher. But these guys were old and on the wane, and their whole schtick wasn't anti-alchohol. Tweedy, on the other hand, has made his whole career on being totally for the music, and being anti-commercialistic, then sold their whole new album lock stock and barrel. It makes you sort of wonder if it's an admission that Wilco is spent as a creative force. And I'm really sorry I joined only to bitch. Before all this, I was totally content to enjoy Wilco in piece and tranquility and I've

What's that supposed to mean?

Hey, I just joined on account of this VW thing, it's been bugging me for awhile so I've got to get it off my chest. First of all the question of whether or not they sold out, is mute. This is the most egregious sell-out in the history of rock and roll, when you consider the fact that Tweedy got to where he was by singing Woody Guthrie songs, when you consider the song "Kicking Television" has the lyrics "Stop Buying Things" when Tweedy has said in his acoustic concerts such things as "let's all quit buying things and live on baked beans and shit," and when you consider the Tweedy throws a fi

You guys know Tweedy's kids are doing commercials for Quaker's, right? I tried to put a link to the story here, not sure if it worked. I was never interested in chats so I don't know how this all works, but this VW thing annoys me so much I had to start. Anyway, if the link doesn't work, the story's on pitchfork.com, or type in "Quaker Tweedy on a yahoo search, and you'll get the story. http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu5O3PohGVaAA...ker-oats/page_1[/url]