JohnO

What it really does is eliminate the exclusivity Media companies enjoyed under the old law to spend unlimited amounts of money expressing political opinions and preferences. The likes of CNN, Time, Newsweek, News Corporation, et al will now have competition when it comes to political speech. They will also benefit from the additional ad revenue.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech..."

I'm in agreement with Justice Thomas's dissenting opinion that the ruling didn't go far enough. In essence he argues that the disclosure laws should also be struck down as they in theory and unfortunately in practice have been used to infringe upon free speech as they have led to organized attempts to intimidate and threaten dissenting opinion.

So let's see if I've got this right. The SC has overturned a 20 year old ruling that puts us back under the same rules that gave us Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Lincoln, the Roosevelts, Kennedy and Reagan and we're supposed to be scared to death? What a bunch of wimps we've become!

I was bummed when Keith left the band but I enjoyed the harmonies Brent sung. I never have gotten into Brents tunes. Over time I came to enjoy his keyboard playing but Keiths period with the band is still my favorite keyboard sound. My order of preference is Keith, TC, Hornsby, Pig, Brent and Vince.

Funny that factcheck.org is used by both Republican and Democrat politicians to counter the arguments of their opponents. (I don't watch Fox News religiously so hadn't heard it was biased before) I think if you look at the link you'll see stuff that supports your point about a large portion of the uninsured being under the age of 30.

 

I know it's goes against conventional logic but in other countries where the Government has a far bigger role in healthcare than the U.S. based on results healthcare is more efficient and costs less. I didn't say better just that it consumes about half of what it does here as a percentage of GDP and health outcomes (with the exception of some cancer survival rates) are the same or better.

I know, it cracks me up when these so called "professional news organizations" reference some unauthenticated website as a source for their reporting. There are much better sources on the topic but pretty much any numbers can be fudged. Liars, damn liars and statistics!

In healthcare efficiency and low cost are not quality metrics. It's very difficult if not impossible to do a straight comparison of health care between countries because geography and population density play a vital role in the delivery of services. For example the only other countries that compare to us in size and population, China, India and Russia, lag far behind based on any comparative basis. Reform yes, government take over no.

Ahh where exactly in those quotes did I state, "we needed no reform because there were no problems"? My eyesite's not the best but my reading comprehension is excellent.

The way I read it is bjorn_skurj's question was very broad, as health care is a multi-faceted topic I asked for clarification to which he responded "the uninsured". I then respond with my "solution" on the uninsured and threw in 2 cents on perscription drug costs as well. I'm afraid in this case the inferences you've drawn are all your own.

I think it's the burden of the person throwing out assertions to support them with facts, myself. You clearly learned the numbers you cited from somewhere (right?) so I just want to know you where you got them from, is all.

 

Never said I supported the current health care legislation, but you are the one that said we needed no reform because there were no problems, and then said we needed legislation (reform) to amend existing issues (problems).

Accept them or contest them, the numbers are what they are.

I never said "we needed no reform because there were no problems". You've confused me with a different poster.

Obamacare? A term straight from the right-wing pundits. Unlike, Bill Clinton 14 years ago (for better or worse) the President let the Congress and the Senate craft the bill. Monstrosity? Again, straight from the right-wing pundits. Maybe a term you could use it there was an unfunded public option contained within the plan or an unfunded option to cover illegal aliens. If you want to take a look at enacted piece of legislation that is a monstrosity look no further than Bush's Medicare Prescription Drug Act. Passed with no funding (thus guaranteed to increase the deficit), one that didn't allow the Government to bargain with the drug companies and passed after all types of shenanigans in the House of Representatives.

Obama has thrown the full weight of his Presidency behind this initiative so yes it is Obamacare. Monstrosity is an apt description so if the shoe fits... I completely agree with you about Bush's Medicare Prescription Drug Act. Which is precisely why we should not give government any bigger role in health care. Politicians just cannot say no. They'll align with anyone who will help them get reelected no matter what it costs the taxpayer. They have bankrupted Medicare and now they're going after another 1/6th of the American economy. Enough is enough.

Oh and factcheck.org is a mouth piece of and funded by the left so it is hardly an unbiased representation of the facts.

When they start using Side With The Seeds for a lawn care/landscaping company I'm out.

or a McDonald's commercial

Facts and figures, sir?

 

No one in any part of the health care reform argument is talking about treating undocumented aliens.

You can research it for yourself.

The question to me was, "What is my proposal for the uninsured?" Try to stay with the thread.

If you can't tell the difference between what I've proposed and the monstrosity that is Obamacare then yes you are daft.

The problem of millions being uninsured, smart ass.

As far as the uninsured go about a third of them can afford insurance but choose not to, another quarter are below the poverty line and qualify for SS/Medicare, another quarter either can't qualify for or cannot afford insurance and the remainder are illegal aliens.

The first group is made up of young healthy adults and I would do nothing with them except send them the bill if/when they show up at the hospital for treatment. They're rolling the dice and for the most part it's a good bet.

The second group is all set as far as I'm concerned. Maybe Obama can get his ACORN mafia to go out and enroll these people.

The third group can be addressed through legislation. Eliminate the arcane laws that prevent insurers from selling across State lines. In larger States where multiple insurance companies compete the rates are lower. Allowing companies to pool insurers will have the same affect. Then they also need to eliminate the preexisting condition exclusion.

The last group should go home and get treatment.

You didn't ask about drug prices but I'll give you my thoughts anyway. The United States gets price gouged on drugs. The same drugs can be had for much less, up to 75% less in some cases, by ordering from a supplier in Canada or India. This makes no sense at all. Either we are subsidizing drug prices for the world or we are getting royally ripped off! Unfortunately Obama is so far in bed with both big Pharma and the one world crowd that he would rather bankrupt the country or tax us to death in order to curry their favor.

Personally, I think it has more to do with the absurd level of ignorance out there – as most of the objections I’ve heard with respect to “Obamacare” are about as nuanced and sophisticated as an episode of The Hill. When the name “Glenn” and “Beck” are used repeatedly, in the same sentence and in that order, by voters, you just sort of know where they're coming from, intellectually.

 

But seriously, it’s the economy, and that has more to do with 8 + years of mismanagement, than these so programs you’re referring to – which, if you were to ask the voting public – “Could you name two programs supported by the president?” – in return, you’d probably receive a blank stare. The Brown vote is more of a reflection of what the voters don’t know and/or don't remember, than what they do – imo.

That's the Democratic response to everyone who disagrees with them. Keep calling the voters ignorant, homophobic, racist, reactionary, teabagging supporter of violence against woman and you'll be in the minority in no time.

You are correct, it is the economy. But it's about Obama not having his priorities straight not about George Bush. It's about deficit spending at historic levels, back room deals with special interests and the buying of votes with THE PEOPLES money. So yup were justa bunch o dumby's out har.

What is your solution to the health care problem?

What problem?

True, but given that her stance on the “issues” is not far removed from Kennedy’s, I think there is something more at play here.

Oh there was much more at play here. Brown tapped into two of the biggest concerns of the electorate. First being the abomination that is Obamacare with all it's back room shenanigans and sweet heart deals for Unions and bribes for certain votes. The second being the ludicrous level of deficit spending being promoted by the Democratic majority in Washington. November is going to be a bloodbath for the Democrats unless they change direction asap. Personally I think they should keep listening to MSNBC and keep trying to cram their ill advised programs down the throats of the American voters.

Let's be clear this was a vote of no confidence in this administration, its policies and its politics.

I Can't Explain is the only tune I still crank. The rest are like Charlie Brown's teacher blah blahblah blah blah.

Dizzy in the head and I'm feeling bad

The things you've said have got me real mad

I'm gettin' funny dreams again and again

I know what it means but

Yes - a blasphemy would be something like, "Since some point in the 1970s, Van Morrison stopped being good and became a drunken Irish bellowing machine," or something like that.

the avatar says all I need to know here.

One mans floor is another mans ceiling.

Van Morrison is a musical genius.

Charlie Parker changed the course of music.

The music of the Doors and the Who has not aged well.

Bob Dylan is the poet laureate of the past 50 years. His music is ageless and will be reinterpreted for generations to come just like Gershwin.

I love and I hate the Stones. At the moment I think I love them.

The only thing worse than the Band breaking up was the Clash breaking up.

The early loss of Duane, Jimi, Janis, Mama Cass, Lowell, Lennon, Richard Manual, Jaco, Jerry, Mark Sandman, Rick Danko, Joe Strummer has left a hole in the music that can't be filled. I'm sure I've missed a few so shoot me.

Morphine is greatly unappreciated for their contributions. We miss you Mark.

If you don't like or get the Dead that's okay their shows are way to crowded already!

The Banana Splits.

Come on they were Awesome!!! :rock

Springsteen

If you enjoy wilco check out:

 

Little Feat - Preferably '70's Feat with Lowell. There's plenty up on LMA

Woody Guthrie - The just released Dusty Road box is awesome. The disk with Sonny Terry and Cisco Houston sitting in is special.

The Band - Pretty much anything or you could check out Levon Helms latest releases Dirt and Electric Dirt

Roseanne Cash's new release The List

Enjoy!

You might wanna start it (or end it) with Wilco & Phil Lesh covering Ripple - 5/29/99, Calaveras, CA

that's the absolute worst cover of a Dead tune in existence.

My vote for Wilco does Dead, if Jeff could learn the words, would be for a nice Box of Rain or Scarlet Begonia.

Popmatters.com ranked W(TA) #24 in their "60 Best Albums of 2009" list:

 

http://www.popmatters.com/pm/feature/117680-best-60-albums-of-2009/P3/

They've got Buddy and Julie Miller's - Written in Chalk at #27 which I absolutely loved. I'm hoping to catch Buddy soon now that he's recovered from triple bypass.

You may be older than I am then, but maybe not. I am 59. I remember all those things as well. Few people actually were around for that, even those closer to my age. (What city did you live in when the Beatles came?)

 

LouieB

We're old farts.

1966 Boston, Suffolk Downs

How old are you? I always wonder when people talk about the Beach Boys and Beatles being part of one's youth.

 

LouieB

Well let's see I remember the first space shots. I remember watching Howdy Doody. I remember the death of Pope Pius XII. I remember where I was when JFK was shot. I remember watching the Beatles first appearance on Ed Sullivan. I passed out handbills when the Beatles came to my city. That was the time of my youth. How about you?

I really don't understand the context that the term "pop" is being used in this thread. If we're talking about 2009 then there's no way W(TA) can be placed in the same category as the material that is being produced by today's "Pop" artists like Britney Spears, Owl City, Fireflies, Iyaz, Kelly Clarkson, Lady Gaga, Jay Sean, Lil Wayne, Ke$ha, Beyonce...

The band certainly writes tight, structured and thoughtful songs which they have done consistently through out the years. Summerteeth reminds me so much of the "Pop" of my youth which were the Beachboys, Beatles and CCR. W(TA) is consistent but at the same time different which is the genius that is Wilco. imho

Currently listening to this awesome Charlie Miller production.

I'm seeding here http://www.shnflac.net/details.php?id=6ae9539af4e1f8a306f583596ce031ed26f820cf

You can give a listen here.

mp3 sample

Grateful Dead - May 20, 1973

Campus Stadium - Santa Barbara, CA

University Of California

Recording Info:

SBD -> Master Reel (7 inch reels @ 7.5ips 1/2trk) -> Dat -> CD

Transfer Info:

CD -> EAC -> Samplitude Professional v9.11 -> FLAC

(3 Discs Audio / 2 Discs FLAC)

All Transfers and Mastering By Charlie Miller

charliemiller87@earthlink.net

Set 1:

d1t01 - Bertha

d1t02 - Me And My Uncle

d1t03 - Box Of Rain

d1t04 - Deal

d1t05 - Looks Like Rain

d1t06 - Tennessee Jed

d1t07 - The Race Is On

d1t08 - China Cat Sunflower ->

d1t09 - I Know You Rider

d1t10 - Beat It On Down The Line

d1t11 - They Love Each Other

d2t01 - Playing In The Band

Set 2:

d2t02 - The Promised Land

d2t03 - Brown Eyed Women

d2t04 - Mexicali Blues

d2t05 - Row Jimmy

d2t06 - Jack Straw

d2t07 - Big Railroad Blues

d2t08 - Greatest Story Ever Told

d2t09 - Here Comes Sunshine

d2t10 - Big River

d2t11 - Loser

d3t01 - El Paso

d3t02 - Casey Jones

Set 3:

d3t03 - Truckin' ->

d3t04 - Nobody's Fault But Mine Jam ->

d3t05 - Drums ->

d3t06 - The Other One ->

d3t07 - Eyes Of The World ->

d3t08 - Stella Blue

d3t09 - Sugar Magnolia

Encore:

d3t10 - Johnny B. Goode