big bob

anyone trying to grab a last minute ticket? A friend backed out today.

It's a generational thing. Some people have been taught and coddled to the 'fact' that they are the stars in their own movie; therefore, nothing else matters except their enjoyment.

this isn't about any particular individual's enjoyment, it is about concertgoers as a whole and maintaining an authentic enjoyable music experience for all. also, if it is distracting to the musicians, it is most certainly an issue.

how many bands that don't sing in English do you listen to on a regular basis?

Elis Regina; Ali Farka Toure

and about half of the music I listen to is instrumental. Jacob Fred Jazz Odyssey, Marco Benevento, Bill Frisell, Kaki King, John Williams, Thelonious Monk, to name a few.

I do however also have a love of lyricism, of which knowing the language is helpful.

but what I really meant by "music transcends language" is that music cannot be defined or discussed adequately without the transcendental experience of actually listening to it. If people try to describe what a band sounds like, it generally doesn't really explain much of anything if you've never heard that band's music before...like trying to describe what chocolate tastes like to someone who has never eaten chocolate.

i think labeling music by genre is problematic, PARTICULARLY in the case of "jam bands."

what is meant by the term "jam?" does it simply mean improvisation? in that case was Thelonious Monk a member of "jam bands?"

i really dislike the term. Improvisation is a skill, not a genre. some improvisation is boring/predictable. some improvisation is extremely impressive and enjoyable and takes the live music experience to a level that otherwise cannot be achieved. unfortunately, so many "jam bands" sound so alike that people group them into some genre and then any band who starts jamming gets unfairly lumped into some category because they improvise.

some "jam bands" go on for waaaaaaaaaay too long on every jam and its really boring and totally lacks structure. The best music really contains a dose of structure and improvisation. I think that Wilco's song and performances allow for some improvisation but it mostly is the structured songs that are just beautiful and brilliant.

that being said, do not dismiss a band just because they are labeled "jam band" for example, I never really got into Phish, but they are a really good band... The Slip got unfairly labeled a "jam band" because they improvized but what they were doing was miles beyond what bands like Umphrees McGee and Moe and Govt. Mule do.

In short, dont try to label any music that you listen to. Music transcends genre and language. Just shut up and listen to it and your whole being will thank you for it.

that may very well be the case.

some of these chords are the same chord as i posted but in a different position on the guitar. i'm not sure how jeff tweedy plays it or what is easiest for other people to play.

also, i find it helpful to have the actual chords written out (esp. when they aren't just typical cowboy chord shapes) in order for other instruments to join in more easily without transposing. but i am open to changing the chord names to reflect the relative chord shapes if that is the consensus.

thanks for your suggestions! I will check em out. I think on my transcription i did not specify the bass notes in the chord names.

some technicalities:

a chord such as "D9" implies a dominant 7th in the chord, whereas a "Dadd9" skips the dominant 7th. the chord that you laid out is a Dadd9.

similarly with the G4, what you have written out is a Gadd4 (a major G chord + a 4th). if the 3rd is omitted, that would be a Gsus4. the term "G4" is generally used to mean the single G note within the 4th octave on a piano.

i really love Elliott Smith. I think it is some of the most beautiful stuff ever, and has many-a-time gotten me through dark spells.

i have not heard Laughner. ill check him out!

i am in love with every album that i listed, including summerteeth...its so hard to put them in an order from favorite to least favorite when they are all so great.

ah, i would be happy to point out The Slip's music to you. It's quite eclectic, ranging from jazz to folk rock to experimental psychedelic rock to so-called 'indie rock.' so, depending on your music preference you may like some of it more than others. but i love most all of it.

If I were to recommend an album:

Folkier stuff: Aliveacoustic

psychedelic: Alivelectric

jazz: From the Gecko, or Does

this one is on alivelectric:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBY-lrSNmtM

not great audio quality but that's youtube for ya. let me know if u want to know any more about these guys. there is much beauty!

Are you familiar with their stuff from their days as The Slip? that is some of my favorite music ever. and some of my fondest memories are of Slip shows.

thanks for the welcome, everyone

ah i lived in brighton a few years ago. Brighton Music Hall...is that the old Harper's Ferry or a new venue all together?

I admit that i never really bothered much with A.M. or Being There. I listened to them a few time and they seemed like straightforward songs that didn't pull me in. (not that there's anything wrong with a nice simple song)

i owe those records a revisit, though.

I highly recommend this band.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6U6bHrKV2M

Nirvana is usually considered as the last rock band that had both critical acclaim and huge commercial succes...

is Radiohead not considered a "rock band?"

also, there is a very vibrant contemporary jazz scene, it just doesn't get much press because it isn't marketable.

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot

A Ghost is Born

The Whole Love*

Summerteeth

Sky Blue Sky

*hard to place The Whole Love because its still very fresh to me.

i never really got into A.M., or Being There, or Wilco (The Album).

I really love Loose Fur, especially Born Again in the USA.

i think its a great idea too. this forum would be a great place to discuss the specifics of tabs, which could subsequenly be updated/revised on Anthony's wiki page.

hey guys. im new here. trying to get my Rising Red Lung tab posted but having some formatting (spacing) issues with this site.

i think a consolodated collection of wilco tabs on a different site is a great idea. i dont know anything about wikis...does that mean anyone can go in and change an existing tab? thats a little dangerous...

on the other hand, someone mentioned Sweet Adeline (elliott smith's tab site) which is a great format and a great resource, however there are loads and loads of different "versions" of tabs to wade through. the different "versions" are really just innacurate tabs with some accurate ones mixed in.

surely some happy medium could be reached where tabs/chords can be discussed and updated but not by just anyone.

awesome thanks!

here it is:

http://radiocure.wikispaces.com/rising+red+lung

hey everyone,

i just signed up. is it an active board or will i be singing wilco tunes to myself, as usual? :^)

-rob

hey guys,

i just tabbed this one out. i've been trying to post it at ultimate guitar forums but their tab submission proceedure is ridiculous, so it keeps getting rejected. i might just post it here.