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It wasn't about Ryan or any poor behavior oh his part...it was about a bratty, self important reporter.

 

Ryan was playing a gig at the Benaroya Hall and this reporter/reviewer/blogger wrote a really obnoxious story about her experiences.

 

Shows up late for this intimate, solo gig; makes a small ruckus getting to seat; proceeds to tap out her review on her blackberry; gets annoyed when the people around her ask her to put the blackberry away; borrows a plane ticekt and pen from her 'date' to take notes; talks to her date and gets further annoyed when she is shushed...this was the gist of her 'review'. Complaints about how people at a show might actually want to hear the hear the music instead of her tapping on a blackberry or talking to her friend.

She walked out of the show early and mentioned NOT ONE WORD about Adams' performance.

 

The comments section on this review were hilarious.

 

Would post a link...but I can't remember where I found it.

That's pretty funny. It reads almost like satire. When you first posted this I thought for sure it must be written by one of our weeklies "The Stranger" which specializes in snark and indie-takedowns, but it's in the Weekly which surprises me. Maybe this is a generational thing? I can't wrap my head around it.

Can anyone who's purchased tickets in any of the recent presales answer these questions...?

 

1) Were presale tickets will call only?

2) Was there a ticket # limit?

 

Just trying to coordinate with friends who's gonna try to get tickets for each show since many of us are trying to catch multiple California shows... I remember there being a four ticket limit and they weren't will call 2 1/2 years ago when they last went through California, just wondering if that's changed...

 

Thanks!

According to the Seattle pre-sale page there's a 2 ticket limit and will-call only. That's rough (2 ticket limit that is).

I think if there's a major gripe to be had it's this: Why include Zooropa as a disc in the Super Deluxe Box Set? I mean, if someone is die-hard enough to throw down $120-160 or $300 for the crazy edition I'd say chances are pretty good that they already own Zooropa. That, to me, seems like a waste of an opportunity.

That said, I am pretty amped about the "alternate version" disc. U2 usually keeps these type of things in the vault. The only other time I can remember them doing something similar is the "Complete U2" Itunes set which included alternate takes on some How To Dismantle...songs which I thought were an improvement in most cases. This might be the thing they are trying to avoid (the fans holding one version up against another). Loved "Native Son" much more than "Vertigo" and I have no evidence for it, but think they may have killed it because Bono hits a crazy sustained note on "Native Son" that he would never be able to repeat live.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/u2-revisit-achtung-baby-and-question-their-future-20111024

Once you weed through the typical Bono-hype, talking points, some interesting tid-bits...Specifically, this got me excited:

"'For the band, rediscovering the wildly different lyrics and arrangements on the early "kindergarten" versions of the songs was revelatory – "Tryin' to Throw Your Arms Around the World," for instance, sounds like an Irish folk tune. "The first time the paint goes on the canvas is a very, very exciting moment," says Bono. He was intrigued by a line in the early "Who's Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses" that recasts its story as a "parasitic" love affair ("Your innocence I've experienced"), while the Edge is convinced the more restrained vocal melody on that version is superior to the released track.

One of the more intriguing outtakes, "Down All the Days," has the same backing track as "Numb," from U2's 1993 follow-up, Zooropa, with Bono singing an entirely different song. "It's this quite unhinged electronic backing track with a very traditional melody and lyrics," says the Edge. "It almost worked.""

http://espn.go.com/c...tein-thursday

 

Epstein to Cubs could be announced tomorrow. Padres GM Jed Hoyer is slated to become his GM in Chicago.

This could be low-hanging fruit, but there's got to be a better way to discuss a baseball hire/negotiation than to say:

""The two sides are on the 5-yard line.'"

Still America's game?

Any Padres' fans out there - I wonder what your take on this is?

Anyone know when that Paramount show (from Seattle) went live? I'm wondering if it showed up a while ago and I just never saw it. I was lucky enough to be there that night and what a show it was.

hmmmm...I couldn't get passed the arbitrary punctuation of that blog post (which is probably pretentious on my part). Also, I ran up against this and decided I probably wasn't that interested: "not sure I ever made it all the way through Blonde On Blonde"

I realize this isn't the exact point the blogger and original poster are making, but I always thought you should define yourself more by what you are (or what you love) rather than what you aren't (or what you dislike). I'd rather spend more time in the "I dig these Wilco characters" realm, as opposed to "god, I really hate the f#*&ing Beatles and here's why" (although I've said that before about the Eagles)...That's not to say you can't be critical, but at least be honest about it. So much music writing is bent on getting a rise out of people these days. I think if you spend too much time in that space where you're constantly slagging on things, then you run the risk of becoming a blowhard. Nobody likes that guy, even if you're right.

Oh man - I can't tell you how many times I've re-read the story "Hills Like White Elephants." It kills me.

I picked:

"Blasting Fonda"

"Cars..."

"Just a Kid"

The second section seemed like the hardest choice as I've just come to the conclusion (in the last two weeks) that I love the song "More Like the Moon" - it takes me to the same place that "One Sunday Morning Does" and I think that's because of the harmonic repetition that is going on. They both hypnotize me. Anyway, I picked "Cars..." as it's been my de facto favorite Wilco song forever, so I figured I owed it some loyalty. It's a bit too early to make a call on "Message From Mid-Bar" for me, but I'm digging it.

Re: jcroach's link - VERY interesting read and I always wondered about the origin of those "other" YHF songs and the backgrounds and why the song "Cars" stuck around and made it into the Wilco repertoire when an equal-caliber "Venus" disappeared off the face of the planet, when both seem to have "lived the same life" so to speak. Edward seems to confirm that Tweedy at least wrote the lyrics and song structure, by making it a point to say that Jay wrote 'My Darlin'' and played every instrument on "Shakin' Sugar (Alone)" - a key point and difference I think. So if Jeff wrote the lyric and structure to "Venus" I wonder why it disappeared. Correct me if I'm wrong, but he's played "Alone" before so it can't be simply that it was because it was released on Jay's record right? I seem to recall that he addressed this at a LRS when someone requested "Venus" but I could be wrong and might be completely derailing the topic.

if you were a captain tied to a mast it would be because your crew has mutinied. And it gets cold at night on the high seas, matey. not to mention lonely if you're the captain and yer crew has just mutinied.

From the Odyssey, the popular Sirens passage:

"...and now pay attention to what I am about to tell you- heaven itself, indeed, will recall it to your recollection. First you will come to the Sirens who enchant all who come near them. If any one unwarily draws in too close and hears the singing of the Sirens, his wife and children will never welcome him home again, for they sit in a green field and warble him to death with the sweetness of their song. There is a great heap of dead men's bones lying all around, with the flesh still rotting off them. Therefore pass these Sirens by, and stop your men's ears with wax that none of them may hear; but if you like you can listen yourself, for you may get the men to bind you as you stand upright on a cross-piece half way up the mast, and they must lash the rope's ends to the mast itself, that you may have the pleasure of listening. If you beg and pray the men to unloose you, then they must bind you faster."

Great Story! Especially liked the average joe attitude of Bono Saw Brandi C here in Boston 1st pass through she signed a CD for my Daughter very welcoming. Good you made some tapes eh?

Most definitely down to Earth. What is so strange to me is thinking back on how much of the conversation was him asking us questions and how little was us asking him questions - though I did get in a couple of good ones: One specifically about the song "Ultraviolet" and I like to claim credit for getting that back on the tour setlist. I think that's a real credit to him. No diva in him at all.

I do feel pretty good about those tapes.

Bono: My wife and I were traveling around Ireland after we graduated from college and both being U2 fans we thought we'd cruise by their studio when we went through Dublin and, as it turns out, they were there in the adjacent warehouse/building rehearsing for the Elevation Tour. We just happened to be there in the final stages of rehearsal before the tour and heard essentially their entire tour set (as it was in the building next to the studio it wasn't sound-proofed). A few minutes after the set was over the garage door rolls up and Bono drives out of the studio garage, pulls his car to the side of the road (we were listening from the sidewalk opposite the studio) and gets out to say hello to us. He could have easily simply driven by and we would have never even known it was him. He asks us all about our trip and drew a picture for my wife. When our chat was over he asked us if we had walked to the studio (it's in a kind of industrial area, but only about a 10 minute walk from the city proper) and we told him yes. He told us to get in and drove us back into town. He told me to sit up front with him, so I rode shotgun in Bono's car. There's more to the story, but that's the gist.

Brandi Carlile: We used to go see her play every Sunday night at a local pub here in Seattle. She had to compete with the clanging dishes and belligerent drinkers. Paid rehearsal, but still pretty special to witness as it was clear she was going places. I taped several of those shows and talked to her and her band a bit. By the end she was getting a bit fed up with the grind of playing for mostly strangers I think, but she broke out just after that. Still hard to make sense of it all when I hear those same songs on TV or covered by Adele.

I always seem to run across Eddie Vedder at the airport, but have never gone up to him to say hello.

It's quite possible that I'm crazy, but I hear Sheryl Crow in "Born Alone" -- every time. Not sure which song (must be one of the radio songs - edit: did a little research "Every Day is a Winding Road"), but something about the melody of the verse. I also hear Toto every time I hear the opening to Modest Mouse's "Float On" so it's probably just me.

Call me crazy, but I don't see why 66R didn't use the caps for the one proper noun in that sentence...though his point is well-made.

Resurrecting this thread to ask if anyone here knows what happened to the old benharper.net message board. I was a frequent visitor to that place back in the day and it was a pretty thriving community, but it's been a while and it seems to have have slipped off into oblivion. Tried searching it out on google and all I got was a link to the super-mediocre official forum.

Someday my wish is for him to hold me in his arms, in a sea of deep blue, together at last, together as two...

Well it's official. I've become fully addicted to Kurt Vonnegut. After reading Slaughterhouse-Five about a year a go (and really enjoying it) I moved on to some other things, forgetting how great it was. Then, about a week ago I picked up a copy of Player Piano and was absolutely blown away. Before I had even finished it, I placed an order on Amazon for Cat's Cradle and The Sirens of Titan. As of today I have torn through all 3 of them, finishing each within 24 hours. I bought Galapagos awhile back but I think I'm going to give myself a little break on Vonnegut for now. I should be receiving Jonathan Franzen's "The Corrections" in the mail today or today and I've heard good things. Has anyone here read it before?

Awesome about Vonnegut. If you're a fan you may recognize my avatar. His two biggest "hits" are "Slaughterhouse-Five" and "Cat's Cradle" - but I've always been partial to "Timequake" and "Breakfast of Champions." I hear the summation of all his philosophies and a soulful and resigned sadness in that book ('Timequake') that perfectly captures what I love about Vonnegut. Also, his last "fiction" book.

I've tried reading Franzen's book three times and never made it very far. I'm positive someone will disagree, but it felt like a New York novel where the characters are all self-absorbed and ironic and I was struggling to be interested in what they were feeling and who they were as they didn't have any redeeming qualities (or the redeeming qualities they had were completely overpowered, by their other flaws).

 

Hmm. I'll have to dig these up and watch them from beginning to end. However, I did just find a link for all 4 volumes here : http://www.u2start.c...es-vol-1-2-3-4/

 

It does mention silent footage, but no "rough edit" of the film.

 

Edit: DUH!!! Of course the rough footage would be silent because it was shot on film & audio is recorded separately. The footage that does have audio must have made it into post production. Ha. It's funny being a film major I never thought of that. (my Doc Brown eureka moment)

Maybe we're talking about two different things, but this version, entitled "Rough Cut", which was different than the four-volume outtake set, had perfect audio and was essentially an alternate version of the film. Edit: Here we go: http://www.achtungbootlegs.com/index.php?nav=250&bootId=304

 

Looks like Disc 6 (“Baby” Actung Baby) includes the best of these tracks. Kind of a demos disc. But some of them show up on the B-Sides and Bonus tracks disc:

 

@j: Yeah, I really wonder what the "Baby" Achtung Baby is all about. This could be the gem of the lot? I also get the feeling that that track list wasn't ready for mass publication yet...

@u2roolz: I had all those outtakes on VHS too and just trashed them about a year ago. If memory serves, the most rare of the lot was a rough cut of the final movie that included fully edited pieces that weren't part of the outtake volumes and were eventually cut from the final version. You know, off the top of your head, if this is out there on bit torrent?

Ugh...Some very interesting things here, however I'm a bit wary about all the "edits" ("needs an edit"?

02. Blow Your House – Analogue Mix Bono Edit 190711

07. Heaven And Hell – In Truth Mix 211711

08. Oh Berlin – Analogue Mix 1 190711 (needs an edit)

09. Near the Island (instr) Night train from Rostock.

10. Down All The Days (Vsn 1) [CD#4/07] (needs edits)

15. Everybody loves a winner edit between take 2+3

16. Real Thing (Fish out of water mix)

A little extra for you (early version of "Blow Your House")--that's earlier Jimmy Iovine for all you 'Idol' fans out there:

...there's an even crazier 7 disc version of the so-called "Salome" or "Hansa" bootleg that includes backing tracks, but this sounds a bit different. Maybe that's just wishful thinking though. I have heard alternative studio versions of "One" and "Until The End of the World" and here's hoping this extra disc moves more in this direction than in the "Heaven & Hell" direction. To me, the "Heaven & Hell" and "I Feel Free" recordings sound like more involved improvisations than songs.

I looks like they may get one of these reissues right. Pretty excited about the demo and alternate take disc and the fact that they recognize that we may not be interested in nine remixes of 'Mysterious Ways' -- I've never been a fan of the remixes.

from: http://www.u2.com/ne...e/baby-grows-up

"Achtung Baby turns twenty in November with an anniversary edition featuring previously unreleased songs and new documentary set for release.

It was, said Robert Hilburn of the LA Times, 'U2's daring descent into darkness' while Jon Pareles of the New York Times wrote that 'stripped-down and defying its old formulas, U2 has given itself a fighting chance for the 1990's.'

U2 fans will remember that, for Bono, it was 'the sound of four men chopping down The Joshua Tree'.

Twenty years ago U2 released Achtung Baby which went on to win the Grammy Award for Best Rock Performance and became one of the most significant records of the nineties and of U2’s career.

Recorded over six months at Hansa Studio in Berlin and Windmill Lane in Dublin, Achtung Baby is U2’s seventh studio album. Produced by long time U2 collaborators, Daniel Lanois and Brian Eno with Steve Lillywhite, Achtung Baby was engineered by Flood and led by The Fly. With four other singles, Mysterious Ways, One, Even Better Than The Real Thing and Who’s Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses.

In 2011, an anniversary edition of Achtung Baby, now all grown up, is due for release on October 31st.

The Achtung Baby archives have unearthed some previously unreleased songs from the recording sessions. With a raft of unreleased material; video, remixes, b-sides and documentary footage discovered, a full album of demo and early versions of the final 1991 tracklisting has also been revealed.

Five physical editions including vinyl, CD, DVD and digital options will be made available. Full details of all formats here.

A version of From The Sky Down (Davis Guggenheim) will also be made available in the release, following its premiere as the opening film at the Toronto International Film Festival on September 8th. In the film U2 return to Hansa studios to discuss the making of Achtung Baby.

---and---

Twenty years ago, Bono described Achtung Baby as 'the sound of four men chopping down The Joshua Tree' while Jon Pareles of the New York Times wrote that 'stripped-down and defying its old formulas, U2 has given itself a fighting chance for the 1990's'. The album won a Grammy Award for Best Rock Performance and became one of the most significant records of the nineties and of U2’s career.

To mark twenty years since its 1991 release, an anniversary edition of U2’sAchtung Baby is due on October 31, 2011.

Recorded over six months at Hansa Studio in Berlin and Windmill Lane in Dublin,Achtung Baby is U2’s seventh studio album. Produced by long time U2 collaborators, Daniel Lanois and Brian Eno with Steve Lillywhite, Achtung Babywas engineered by Flood and led by The Fly. The album spawned four other singles, Mysterious Ways, One, Even Better Than The Real Thing and Who’s Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses.

The Achtung Baby archives have unearthed some previously unreleased songs from the recording sessions. With a raft of unreleased material; video, remixes, b-sides and documentary footage discovered, a full album of demo and early versions of the final 1991 tracklisting has also been revealed. Five physical editions including vinyl, CD, DVD and digital options will be made available.

Earlier this year U2 returned to Hansa Studio in Berlin to discuss Achtung Baby in From The Sky Down, directed by Academy Award winning director Davis Guggenheim (Waiting for Superman, An Inconvenient Truth). The film has been selected to open the Toronto International Film Festival on September 8th and will be included in the anniversary edition."

Thanks for the links. I've only included officially released tracks on the main list. Maybe someone else might want to start a list of demos (like corduroy cut-off girl), covers(like this one) and live only songs(Millionaire), etc.

I do have that excel spreadsheet.

!!!

 

via Expectingrain.com:

 

 

Jeff Tweedy Will Be Your Baby Tonight

Awesome. Thanks so much for posting this.

http://forums.viachicago.org/topic/38779-the-official-bob-dylan-thread/page__view__findpost__p__1469461

Can we add this guy or does it not count?