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Thanks for the links. MMJ is probably one of my favorite bands ( and the best show I've ever seen, hands down). I'm excited for the new album. I think you could kind of tell on Z that some of the members were new to the band....things didn't really start gelling until the tour afterwards, imo.

What is this about new tracks? I need more information...I beg you.

Of all time? I'd have to say The Late Greats' "Turpentine.

RIP, Larry.

Thanks for making history!

Best Wilco show I've seen, though it might have had something to do with how close I got. I LOVED the old version of Sunken Treasure. That's one of my favorite Wilco songs. That and Why Would You Wanna Live were really great suprises. I won't pick a favorite song cause they were all so great.

I'd be interested to know if any V'cers ran into me...I was the obnoxious little kid in the blue flannel near the front.

It was cool to hear The Books...they were just in Tape Op and I hadn't heard anything by them yet...pretty cool stuff.

Word on the street is it does.

Not sure if this was mentioned:

"He resurfaced on the sidewalk of my block the other day

yeah it's a fat check sorry charlie, honey, he's back from LA "

I've really been digging the rhythm of this song lately.

Vocals sound good, but the guitar is driving me nuts. Take the mic you used to record the vocals, and stick it in front of the 12th fret of your guitar about half a foot away. Record that instead of direct in.

All I know is I've seen The Slip, MMJ, and Spoon at the Riv, and never had a problem getting way up close, and always wished I could do the same at a Wilco show.

I always felt very distanced the two times I saw them at the Auditorium. And it was a bitch to get decent tickets ( which didn't really even happen anyways). The Riv ain't even that bad. It's got 'character'.

'Nuff said.

That pedal sounds like it would be fucking awesome. The price is right too, for an EHX pedal. I've got to try one out!

You guys are all forgetting that Jesus loves you all very much.

I went down there last spring to help with relief efforts in Bay St. Louis...really brought it home for me. It'l be at least a decade before the area is completley recovered.

I see what you mean.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGrltT54OsA...ted&search=

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PUQATCcQ0A...ted&search=

 

This last one is especially telling - listen to what Pastor Ted has to say at the end. The former head of the evangelical movement seems to contradict what you have stated above.

Yes. That is one 'pastor'. One prominent ( though now defunct), political figure. And a total slimeball. I can think of far more Chirstians that find a person like him to be way off from the Christian ideal than people who support him.

I can't think of a single Christian ( evangelical or otherwise) that I know that dosen't find 'Jesus Camp' completley disturbing.

Hentoff also takes pro-lifers to task for being inconsistent, quoting Barney Frank: "Those who oppose abortion are pro-life only up to the moment of birth." Hentoff feels that to be pro-life, one requires a "consistent ethic of life. They ought to actively oppose capital punishment, preparations for war, and the life-diminishing poverty associated with" certain government policies.

 

Hmmm. Discuss.

I agree. Although 'preparations for war' is kind of a vauge situation, as well as the standards for poverty. But on the whole I agree with his statement...and if you study the teaching of Jesus you'd find that he was of the same persuasion.

You don't? Hmm. That would seem contrary to a lot of the rhetoric evangelicals are constantly spouting.

I think the media has painted an inaccurate view of the evangelical denomination.

Also, a rally like Aquire the Fire is much more about personal change and improvement than it is about trying to brainwash kids into a certain political worldview. It's about trying to establish a passion in young teens to do something significant, to make the world a better place than it is. I'm just a genration or so above the current young teens, and it's sad to see how self-centered and ignorant they are. There's alot of shit wrong in this world. Some of us would like to see that change. To lump something like 'Aquire The Fire' into something like 'Jesus Camp' is unfair.

And don’t even get me started on the mouth breathing knuckle draggers who would force a woman to give birth to a child that is the by-product of rape.

How does killing the child make the experience less horrific?

With all due respect, I think Evangelical Christian is the very antitheses of Libertarian.

 

“The central tenet of libertarianism is the principle of self-ownership. To libertarians, an individual human being is sovereign over his/her body, extending to life, liberty and property.[7] As such, libertarians define liberty as being completely free in action, whilst not initiating force or fraud against the life, liberty or property of another human being. This is otherwise known as the non-aggression principle” – Wikipedia

 

Though an admittedly simplified description of a very diversified philosophy, I’m not quite sure how the preceding definition fits with a group of folks who are apposed to gay marriage, homosexual union in general, abortion, freedom from religion, etc. etc. etc. Folks who have openly admitted a desire to make this a Christian Nation – whether non-believers or those of another faith like it or not.

I think the media has painted an inaccurate view of the evangelical denomination. The non-denominational, or 'evangelical' movement was a movement AWAY from centralized religion. There is MUCH less emphasis places on church doctrine, and alot more placed on solely what the Bible says on such matters. A rule-based, tic-in-the box religion is what we are trying to avoid. We are striving for a religion based on a PERSONAL relationship with God. See how that jives with the libertarian mindset? ( Though to be fair, most evangelicals are more moderates than libertarians.)

We are all our own person, and we are all given free will.

We have no desire to make this nation a 'Christian Nation'. America never has been and never will be a theocracy. ( The concept of separation of church and state was brought into play to protect the Church, not the state.)

A person is free to live their lives however they want. Outside of a religious faith, people would have no reason to abstain from homosexuality or any other sins. Why should we expect a secular society to act like a Christian society? Instead, most evangelicals are far more worried and passionate about the people themselves, serving the community, trying to help people and love them unconditionally; to show them God's love. It's really only through seeing that that we can expect positive change in people's lives.

Does that make sense?

Do you guys not deny that alot of stuff is screwed up with the way media portrays the 'common' lifestyle of people, especially teens? Or is it anything for a quick buck?

"To be honest, I see myself more as a Libertarian who reluctantly votes Republican. "

As would most evangelical Christians, I think.

I'm glad that this thread has a bit of a 'happy' ending. Usually discussions about religion on here get pretty petty at times, but usually it isn't this bad. I could jump in with my own thoughts, but then I'm just a lazy, Bible-thumping teenager.

P.S. Listen to 'Pedro the Lion'.

What Light-I belive Jeff had something to say about this very topic in the 'Shake it Off' DVD... might shed some light on the subject for you.

Pat Sansone and John Stirrat with Jim James and Patrick Carney (drummer from the Black Keys). Anybody else think that would be intresting?

I didn't read the whole thread, but I might want to mention that you can know music theroy without going to school for it. As a songwriter myself, I've self-taught myself some theroy to improve my compositions. I admit when I first started acutally learning how stuff fits together it seemed to limit my ideas, but that was early on and as you mature as a songwriter and increase your knowlage it's a non-issue. I would say it's a fair bet that Jeff Tweedy knows at least some basic theory...he also knows his way around a fretboard very well, as I can tell from learning his songs and seeing the aucostic solo adaptations of his songs he does with Wilco.

I would consider Nels Cline a 'trained' musician for sure. Yes he's self-taught, but he's a self-taught, well respected jazz musician, and you don't get so accomplished in jazz without knowing your stuff. And you can see how the songs Jeff wrote with Nels have that more 'trained' aspect to them ( I'm thinking in particular about the whole transitional part in 'You Are My Face'...not exactly the average chord progression a simple strummer would come up with.)

I won't ramble TOO much about this...but for consideration....compare You Are My Face to At Least Thats What You Said. Both require a transition into a louder section/ guitar solo. Both do it in very different ways, YAMF sets the song and listener up for the part musically so it has maximum impact, ALTWYS comes in with dissonant chords that rattle you, make you feel the message of the song, setting you up emotionally. Both do the same thing, in very different ways. You could even make a case that both use music theroy, which at it's heart is a study of tension and release. Besides, I'm sure an accomplished scholar of music could come up with some names for the chords used by the piano in ALTWYS.

"XRT played a Wilco song. imagine that."

They play Wilco pretty often. I heard Box Full of Letters today. ( of all things) They play Box Full of Letters every once in awhile. They play Can't Stand It often...sometimes I hear Shot in The Arm... I heard Theologians a on a couple various Sundays ( though not for a long time)...and of course What Light. Actually, when you think about it, that's alot more songs than they usually play by a single artist, even if they don't play them as often.

The video is really quiet...cool stuff though.