MattZ
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Yo la tengo at maxwells for hanukkah is the greatest tradition in rock and roll.
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Oh man. Jeff at bowery ballroom and I have tix for yo la tengo at maxwells that night? I am sleeping right? This is not happening. Phew for a minute there I got worried.
Yep. Any minute now. Waking up annnnnny minute now.
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Aside from the title track and save No East or West - Tweedy's prints aren't really on this album at all.
Wow, really? I hear what I think are his ideas and sounds and flourishes on every song. In a really good way: understated, but definitely there.
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I'm losing you, Beautiful boy, watching the wheels, Woman, Starting over...rank up there with his best solo work in my opinion, I'm surprised by the criticism.
I'm with Moss. Sure, it's hit or miss towards the end, but when it hits, it's as good as anything he ever did, and better than almost everything anyone else ever did.
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There are only so many times I can listen to this song
In one life
And it will never be enough
To save me
From its end
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Can someone confirm for me that the links in that EPIC THREAD above are still live and safe? I only have some of the unreleased stuff, and I've been meaning to fix that for awhile, but was always afraid of viruses, spyware, etc. from unknown links. Thanks.
Of course, if anyone here has this stuff uploaded somewhere already and can let me know where to go, even better, and you'll have a best friend for life.
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We don't have a Randy Newman Appreciation thread so I am hijacking this one.
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also, isn't that the press conference where he says he'd become a pitchman for ladies lingerie?
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just to change things up a bit. i was re-reading Huckleberry Finn the other week and i found the line "the wind was trying to whisper something to me and I couldn't make out what it was". wouldn't it be good if "love and theft" turned out to be completely made up of stolen lines from books?
Check out 4:35 of that video I posted.
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wouldn't it be good if "love and theft" turned out to be completely made up of stolen lines from books?
it sure would.
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He may have been joking, but he was certainly more of a song and dance man than he was the voice of a generation. The room explodes with laughter when he says it, but he doesn't. I've often thought he was a bit pissed off with how much people in the room laughed at the joke.
ETA: you know, it was meant to be funny, but not THAT funny.
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I get hot under the collar when what I say is, to me, pretty clear, and you manage to find something I didn't say and make it my primary point.
I was commenting on JASB's (now clarified) statement that lyrics were the most important thing to Dylan. You jumped into the middle of that, and so I misunderstood. Sorry.
"Song & Dance Man" is right up there with "Judas!" as far as Dylan references go, I thought.
I was wondering when the hell you were getting here. Jeezus.
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That's not what I said at all, and I'm wondering where you got that from. Thanks, though. For your convenience, I'll recap: 60s acts were pursuing a more polished product, when covering his works, than Dylan was. I think that cheapens the covers - the technical proficiency - because many of those covers (and many through the ages) have a way of sucking all of the emotion out of it. In general, that's why I tend to dislike anyone's covers.
The man records music - that point alone shows that, um, he cares about music. I never said he didn't. Not once.
Sex Nap, I will never understand why you get so hot under the collar about this stuff. Really. If I misunderstood you, I am sorry, ok? You put 5 reallys in front of how much he cared about his lyrics, and were piggybacking on a back and forth I was having with JASB as a result of JASB's statement that Dylan's "lyrics were more important than everything else." Sounds like we agree. It's all good!
I think "song and dance man" is a terrible description of what he is, and I think the term in general, applied to anyone, is worse than Neko's cover of "Buckets of Rain," and "Leave Me Like You Found Me". I'll just completely disregard it from here on out, and then we won't have to back and forth.
Check out 2:34 of this video.
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edit: hang on, you changed that from YES, and then to "Yes, but only after your clarification." - you can't do that!
Well, you clarified to make it clear that you don't think Dylan thought the lyrics were more important than everything else. That's all I meant. We agree!
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do you agree with me, then?
Yes, but only after your clarification.
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Yeah, nothin' better than cutting loose to Hurricane, Like a Rolling Stone, It's Alright Ma, Masters of War, Hattie Carrol, The Times They Are A'Changing...
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The man really, really, really cares about lyrics. I don't care what example JAPB was referring to, where you've decided to nitpick I'm extrapolating a greater point that most of the 60s acts (and many of the 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s acts) were going for a polished product rather than the raw emotion conveyed in his versions of the tracks.
One has nothing to do with the other. Dylan certainly "really" cared about lyrics and inflection, and certainly more than others. But if you think that melody wasn't equally important to him, I'd venture to say you are wrong. Or, I'd disagree with you.
The fact that you think his lyrics are what distinguish him from others is fine. He's still a song and dance man.
i wasn't including dylan, himself - just everyone else covering it. when american acts covered his songs it was often like they had huge gloves on with a pointy finger - and every time they sang something, they'd all point at it and go "groovey, and radical lyrics man!"
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I think Dylan had a way of treating the lyrics and their inflection with a little more importance than a lot of the 60s acts did. Again, The 4 Seasons' take on "Don't Think Twice" is a prime example. (Why babe? Why babe?)
Ok, no argument from me there, but:
1. joss ackland's comment was referring to a brit band cover of Too Much of Nothing and that's hardly a good example of Dylan treating lyrics with more importance than other 60s acts.
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2. joss ackland said: "the brits back then just treated them like good songs with a good melody, rather than treating the lyrics as being more important than everything else", which I don't think Dylan ever did. He's a song and dance man, remember?
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i think the brits back then just treated them like good songs with a good melody, rather than treating the lyrics as being more important than everything else. don't know if that makes sense?
It doesn't make sense to me. Do you think Dylan was doing anything different with that song?
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The brokers got to all of the Chicago tickets. I was at work but my fiancee was at home basically hitting refresh over and over again starting 5 minutes before the tix went on sale, and they went from "not yet on sale" to "sold out" pretty much instantaneously at 10:00. Really bitter about this.
Here you go.
More GUIDED BY VOICES shows added!
Wed, Sept 29, Dallas, TX, Palladium Showroom
On sale now!
...Fri, Oct 29, Bloomington, IN, Bluebird
On Sale Friday, 08/20 at 12pm
Sat, Oct 30, Detroit, MI, Majestic Theatre
On Sale Friday, 08/20 at 10am
Sun, Oct 31, Oberlin, OH, Oberlin College - Hales Gym
On Sale to students, Tues, Aug 31st
On Sale to general public, Wed, Sept 8th.
More information coming soon.
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i generally feel the way matt does.
if you haven't heard/seen it, track down the roots' cover of masters of war. i think it's become my fave dylan cover ever. it's so bizarre
Yep, I take it back. Hendrix and The Roots.
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There are certain artist with distinct voices who's songs sound awkward for lack of a better word when covered. For me Dylan's covers sound alot more natural. Almost like they were made to be covered. Maybe its because he is the greatest song writer of all time. I've heard Neil Young covers that almost made me vomit, then I hear a Dylan cover and alot of times think "yeah, that sounds pretty good"
I feel the exact opposite way. As far as I am concerned, virtually every Dylan cover either misses the point completely, or misses the emotion completely. Hendrix was the only one who nailed it. Just my stupid opinion.
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Keep listening. It is a grower. It's more subtle in its quality, and it takes a while to differentiate the songs since several of them are thematically the same.
Also, see them live. Rococo is a good example. Big chunks of this album are a big departure from their old sound and it wasn't obvious to me until I saw them live.
album is def a grower. upon first listen i felt the same way you did, matt (the z). after repeated listening, i'm finding i enjoy it more than neon bible, a record i really enjoy. impossible to top funeral, but this album has some real gems. keep listening.
Oh definitely. These were just my initial thoughts. And my initial thoughts match up with my final opinion (if there is such a thing) about 7% of the time.
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Ok, so now I've gone back and read this thread and I guess I am not alone. That was a fun experiment. Oh well.
As for the AF v National debate, I agree that Matt's lyrics resonate with me more, and that Win's are starting to get old and feel childish. But I also think Matt has his fair share of clunkers. And I hesitate to reward a lyric that doesnt make much sense as "poetic" -- and sometimes (often?), I get that feeling with the National.
I'll take High Violet over Suburbs every time right now. solace, I am scratching my head over your 96 out of 100. diff'rent strokes, I guess. What would you rate Funeral on that scale? High Violet? Abbey Road?
Jeff @ one of Yo La Tengo's Hanukkah shows?
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I was there last night and I will be there tomorrow night. SOMEONE PLEASE HOLD ME.