Hype Repellent

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Ryan Adams is a "shoe in" for starting the alt.country movement, but Jay Farrar isn't? That's hilarious.

There are two bands who kicked the whole thing off - the Jayhawks and Uncle Tupelo. It had nothing to dowith Ryan Adams. What an idiotic article.

That was awful.

Not even DBT's 2nd best of the decade.

The Dirty South might be the best record of the decade.

I love Jason and all, but this album is proof that they don't need him to be a great band. I would suggest listening to the record before spewing such nonsense about decline.

Honestly, I was kind of down on this band after Jason left. I thought they lost the plot with A Blessing and a Curse. I even ripped the sound samples from the new album. But after many spins, I can honestly say it might be the best thing they have ever done. And it *easily* surpasses Sirens of the Ditch. Sirens just sounds like your standard singer/wongriter stuff. BTCD just sounds raw and alive. I'd rank the albums like this:

1. The Dirty South

2. Brighter Than Creation's Dark

3. Decoration Day

4. Southern Rock Opera

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the rest.......

As for the length, it doesn't matter to me. The only weak song is "Crystal Meth".

Oh, I'm not disagreeing with you. Just laughing at you.

Are your giant man tits flopping around as you do so?

lol@essox

Do the research. A good starting point would be " The History or Rock: Art Rock" documentary.

yep.

 

so far there's nothing that screams "GET THERE" about this years for me

 

Coachella 2007 Line-Up Announced

 

The indie-rock kids of Coachella are in store for a classic-rock moment this April: Roger Waters of Pink Floyd will re-create the band

The new album is terrific. I would not put it ahead of Decoration Day, Southern Rock Opera, or The Dirty South as those albums represent the band's creative zenith.

According to Teenbeat....er I mean Pitchfork, the new Okervill River is a superior record to all those....

But the new album is far stronger than A Blessing and a Curse. I'm not too crazy about Shonna's songs, but my favorites include A Ghost to Most, The Man I Shot, 3 Dimes Down (the best Stones song the Stones never wrote), Self-Destructive Zones, Two Daughters and a Beautiful Wife, The Righteous Path, Monument Valley, The Opening Act, Goode's Field Road, and The Home Front. Cooley and Patterson brought their A game and the band has moved on very well in the wake of Jason's departure.

Agreed. Except I find Shonna's tunes to be the best. I would have cut several songs though - all Patterson tracks:

You and Your Crystal Meth

Opening Act

Monument Valley

The Sophtware Slump - Grandaddy

Sumday - Grandaddy

Dead Cities, Red Seas and Lost Ghosts - M83

Before the Dawn Heals Us - M83

Sea Change - Beck

Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots - The Flaming Lips

Ys - Joanna Newsom

The Salvation Blues - Mark Olson

My Own Jo Ellen - Mark Olson

The Dirty South - The Drive By Truckers

Decoration Day - the Drive By Truckers

Funeral - Arcade fire

Blueberry Boat - The Fiery Furnaces

Boys and Girls In America - The Hold Steady

You Are There - Mono

Fox Confessor Brings the Flood - Neko Case

Is There Anybody Out There, The Wall Live 1980 - Pink Floyd

It's A Wonderful Life - Sparklehorse

Dreamt For Light Years In the Belly of a Mountain - Sparklehorse

And Their Refinement of the Decline - Stars of the Lid

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot - Wilco

Okemah and the Melody of Riot - Son Volt

Songs III Bird in the Water - Marissa Nadler

Vesperitine - Bjork

Gillian Welch - Time the Revelator

How the West Was Won - Led Zeppelin

It's a long bloody album though, will take a while to get into and dissect. Still undecided on the Shonna songs.

The Shonna songs are stunning.

Reckoner- Radiohead

Did you see the song Radiohead nicked that from?

"La ritournelle" by the French artist Sebastien Tellier:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bVA6GPq6GvE

 

Disc 2 is not a disappointment, but it does not have the hooks that Disc 1 has all over it, so it's taking a little more time. Obviously intended as an extra since the vinyl is only disc 1 material. Definitely not filler, though.

Disc 1 has hooks?

so what does everyone think about disc 2?

Filler.

Clifton Bridge - Mark Olson

Diamond Heart - Marissa Nadler

Comfy in Nautica - Panda Bear

Highways and Cigarettes - Son Volt

Oh Mama! - Alela Dianne

It's bad form to convert to mp3 and *trade* the show as if it were lossless. Passing it around strictly for mp3 listening is not bad form. Burning it to CD via MP3 and saying "this is lossless, enjoy" is bad form.

Besides, 99% of these shows are crappy audience recordings, so it doesn't matter anyway.

"oooh....I lost some fidelity on that guy clapping next to the taper!"

The Search was just an OK album for me... not even remotely as great as Okemah

Agreed. Couple really good songs though. Okemah was more cohesive and any album that opens with "bandages and scars" is going to be a winner.

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totally gave yourself away dude

I knew that when I wrote it.

A pretty good case could be made that The Who, Led Zeppelin & Pink Floyd are often very bad lyrically, and The Rolling Stones can be a little hit and miss at times too - this is if you just take the songs on a lyrical level (obviously they come as a whole, which is why I still like the songs most of the time). Personally I think The Who's lyrics are appalling, but I still like most of their songs because it's just big dumb rock music you can sing along to; and everyone I know regards Pink Floyd's lyrics as very 'sixth-form' in nature - so most of those bands in terms of pure song writing are far from untouchable in my book.

Waters is regarded as one of the finest lyricists in rock history along with Pete Townshend, Dylan, Young and Lennon.

Anyone can come up with art class gibberish and throw it at a wall.

P.S. - Cool Newsom sig. If anyone came close to that kind of greatness, she certainly did on "Ys". Work of art.

I would say JT is an all around more consistent writer and much more self aware, and I would put him up against even Dylan or The Beatles in terms of lyrics, and probably equal to them in terms of songwriting. But overall, I think the only reason those groups are deified is because of baby boomers.

Those groups are deified because they are the pioneers, the originators, the great rock bands of all time. They wrote great album after great album after great album. Whereas these days we get some nice albums with some good tracks. Tweedy never wrote a song as good as "Dear Prudence" or "Here Comes the Sun" or "Shine On you Crazy Diamond". He's crafted some really nice songs though, which are more like mood pieces -just not at an "all cylinders cranking" mode in terms of lyrcs, ,melody, dynamic range, playing, etc.

It's been said before, I'm sure, but when you think about it, it's the first real large generation, and it's never been matched since. That's why, then, they were the tastemakers, and now that they are "in control" so to speak, their tastes from the past are taking the reins. I think that's why a group like Pitchfork is, despite it's cynicism and akward ratings, is invaluable to get a good judge on new music. it's a group of younger people, no longer interested in referencing the past, not stuck in one musical genre, judging music based on how it sounds on top of it's innovation.

The problem with Pitchfork is it's become what it claims to hate. It's been stuck up it's own ass for quite some time, infatutated with a cold urban hipster sound and lifeless, wimpy indie acts afraid of putting bass in their songs because they aren't good enough to fit it in with the vocals(another reason why no one seems to be able to make complete, dynamic songs these days - for the most part). For the most part it is stuck in one musical genre.

5. The Historical Conquests of Josh Ritter - Josh Ritter

4. Songs III Bird On the Water - Marissa Nadler

3. Digital Shades - M83

2. And Their Refinement of the Decline - Stars of the Lid

1. The Salvation Blues - Mark Olson

Good!

It's a good thing that no one is writing songs on the level of "Dear Prudence", "Black Dog", "Wish You Were Here", "Won't Get Fooled Again" and "Moonlight Mile"?

Yeah, but I don't think so. U2's heyday is so 20th century. The 'best band' is too problematic to even really argue over this, but in the distant future, Radiohead will be remembered as a turn of the century band, while U2's past couple albums + anything else will only be known to U2 fans

I'd say the same applies to Radiohead. Their creative peak was Kid A, and the quality of the albums has been on the decline with Amnesiac, HTT and In Rainbows (which is talked about more for it's marketing scheme than the actual music - which sounds like Radiohead trying to sound like Radiohead).

The "greatest" bands have *big* ideas and run with them for many records. Radiohead had big ideas and ran with them for two records(Ok and Kid A), while producing a very good record in the Bends (which was fairly uneven, but still had that "it" factor). After Kid A, they kind of entered this quiet defeat era, and repeated themselves fairly often.

No band has really taken the reigns after 2000. Everyone thought the Strokes would, but that's a joke. The White Stripes? Too inconsistent. I'd say the current band with the best chance of "next big thing" is Arcade Fire. But not even that's gauranteed. You need great record after great record after great record. You need songs like "Comfortably Numb", "Hey Jude" and "Kashmir". No one's writing them right now.

you list consistency, innovation, originality, and all around craft but then you list sales figures, which descend with the ranking. are these bands all tied for those four criteria? does Floyd beat out Zep because somebody scratched their record and had to buy a new one?

I gave them the nod due to the live pioneering.

Just bands, right? No solo artists?

 

Maybe it's my own personal bias or lack of historical perspective, but Pink Floyd? I know they were big, but I never think of them in the same manner as The Beatles, Stones, or even Zeppelin. Again, this is probably my own personal bias.

 

How about The Clash? Do they fit into this at all? Late 70's and early 80's, they were the only band that mattered - or something like that.

 

The Smiths? They occupied the same period as R.E.M and U2's early dominance (83 - 87) and were just as good (in my opinion, better).

Floyd sold a touch more records than Zep worldwide. Clash don't fit in, neither do the Smiths. Nirvana, like the Clash wasn't aroud long enough. You need masterpiece after masterpiece. I'd say U2 took over from Pink Floyd, which took over from Zep.

Greatest bands of all time, in terms of consistency, innovation, originality, and all around craft:

1. Beatles - all time sales leader in rock bands

2. Stones - 300 million +

3. Pink Floyd - 300 million +

4. Zeppelin -300 million +

5. The Who - 100 million +

The 90's spawned some cool bands, but none can even come close to that level. Lips, REM, Radiohead, all second tier.

A review of the gig from the Guardian today:

 

 

 

And the link for a video: http://music.guardian.co.uk/rock/liverevie...rss&feed=39

Sad review by the Guardian. If they are worried about bloated self-importance, they should read their website first. Talk about incredibly self-important and uptight.

Awful music taste on that website.