Synthesizer Patel
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yeah, that's great too. i think that pisces, aquarius was their best album all round, and the fact that they did most of it themselves makes it even better.
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Some of my favorite Davy songs are: She Hangs Out
that's always been my favourite of his
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQjA5rDFMjo
he does look like a complete gimp in this video, but i like the fact he doesn't mind one bit that mike nesmith is taking the piss out of him throughtout the whole song
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Eh, no it doesn't.
Britain is England, Wales and Scotland. You are confusing Britain with the United Kingdom (which is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland).
yeah, good point. i should have said "british" - which is what the original title was in the thread (and what i was trying to help define), rather than britain. british does refer to the people of northern ireland as well. where as the british isles, as you said, means mainland britain. so whereas you thought i was a whole country incorrect, i was in fact 3 letters incorrect in my statement.
glad that's all sorted - these little errors do niggle somewhat.
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this: http://smalltownpleasures.blogspot.com/
but, i don't read it - just get the music. the author must spend an absolute fortune on buying japanese pressings of all those albums
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As a lot of you seem unsure - 'Britain' actually means England, Wales, Scotland & Northern Ireland. Unless the topic-maker meant 'English Bands' and said that by a mistake.
Anyway, assuming it's correct:
The Beatles
Fairport Convention (including Sandy Denny solo, and early Richard Thompson with his wife - cheating, i know)
The Kinks
The Super Furry Animals (including solo Gruff - cheating)
The Incredible String Band
Van Morrison
Led Zeppelin
Bert Jansch (including Pentangle - more cheating)
Brian Eno (including early Roxy Music - and yet more cheating)
John Cale
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can i recommend this documentary series to people. it's 3 parts, all an hour long
http://www.archive.org/details/AdamCurtis-AllWatchedOverByMachinesOfLovingGrace
here's a little taster clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGHl5dKrnHk
the third episode (the monkey in the machine and the machine in the monkey) is probably the most enteraining of them all (which is the clip above)
it was made by adam curtis for the bbc, last year - probably the best thing the bbc has put out in a good few years.
not that this has anything to do with obama
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GM paid the loan back already Patel. You think if the "system" collapses we'll all be fine? what in the name of holy hell are you talking about?
good. well, it's all on the up and up for gm then! they have done well having achieved record profits and paying off ALL of the $50 Billion they were given. the government must have made a right killing there too, as they own 60% of the company stock, and shares must be soaring, as the company has done so well. it's actually quite a good way for the government to invest your taxes, if that's the case. it would be wise to encourage them to do that sort of thing some more.
as for the "system" collapsing and everyone being fine. no not everyone will be fine, but not everyone is fine now. some people starve and some people live in luxury - i don't see how things could get any worse for those currently starving, there is even a strong chance that things will get better. what past political or economic (or whatever you want to call them) systems do you class as superior to the current one? if you're so sure things will get worse - you must have some precedent from the past to be so fearful.
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Ok. So I'm reading the Financial Times today. Its all about GM having the highest profit in its history last quarter; the US on track to become a dominant energy exporter by 2030 (we are already exporting natural gas), while increasing the ...use of bio and alternative fuels, AND the unemployment rate continuing to ebb (down to 8.3% at the end of January and another good week of jobs data). If you listen to the US Press - and some of these posts - the world is coming to an end and President Obama is the anti-christ. Guys, seriously, relax a little. Things are better now than they were in September 2008 when the lead story on Fox News was about banks and businesses that were 'too big to fail'.
dude you post articles from theeconomiccollapseblog.disasterandemergencysurvival.com???
weren't General Motors bailled out by the American Government? (sorry, i'm english so I only have a hazy memory of these things). if so, how does that actually all calculate out: they are making record profits, but how much do they owe for the bailout? in the real world you wouldn't be discussing financial success until you actually got out of the red.
in the uk, the news the other day was that unemployment figures recently went up to the same levels as you. now i don't think the news was making the comparison in a positive light there. i think you've got a long way to go before your employment figures are considered worthy of a western style economy.
i don't know about your energy exports etc...
the world is not coming to an end, i think everyone with a vested interest will prop it up for a little longer, but at some point i can see a collapse of the system. that doesn't mean the world will end. people will carry on like they always do, as happens when any political or economic system draws to a close. in some ways it amazes me that the average person would not actually want this to happen as, historically, the subsequent system tends to be an improvement on the one before - there is merely a power shift (which, again, should only worry the very few people who currently hold that power) . . . and obama is not the anti-christ he's merely a political light-weight in a world of political light-weights - as james brown would say, "he's like a dull knife, just ain't cuttin'. he's talkin loud and sayin' nothin'!" watching the politicians in europe trying to solve the greek crisis would make for a great screwball comedy, if it weren't so sad the effect it was all having on the greek people. the idea that politicians hold any sway in this gobalised world can all be disproven by watching that crisis pan out - as they keep throwing money at the greeks and the markets don't respond in the way they hope, so they all sit around again and plan a slightly different way of throwing money towards them. i'm sure obama would be able to solve it though, he's got a great throwing arm.
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Okay now quoting someone from the Heritage Foundation. Really?
No, not really. That was just the still image - it's a link to a documentary program. Can we click on it? Yes We Can!
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Don't worry things are getting better. Just ask these folks...
That was quite a good program. I'm surprised any of that stuff would be any great shock to people, though. Apart from the bit where the traumatised little girl says her mum cooked her a rat. If you were feeding your kid rat you'd make a point of hiding the fact to your kid, wouldn't you? That shocked me. Anyway . . . "Can We Eat Rats?" . . . "Yes We Can!"
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Jimmy Cliff did some stuff that would probably appeal to the not really big on reggae crowd. It's hard not to like "The Harder They Come" soundtrack.
also you can get the Nick Drake fans hooked by this:
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I effin' hate Steely Dan and Fleetwood Mac for that matter too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XFDdOIDZnQ
who can hate that?
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All right, I'll check that set out. Thanks for the recommendation. I do like seventies reggae and early British ska quite a bit, but for some reason I've never connected with a lot of Marley's stuff. I'll dig deeper and start there.
Bob Marley is probably my biggest one. I have heard all the songs on Legend. Redemption Song is the only one that I really love (and I sort of prefer Joe Strummer's version). I don't have an active dislike for any his stuff, but I have just never been compelled to listen to it all that much or explore him further.
--Mike
I'd recommend checking out The Best Of The Wailers (which isn't really the best of the wailers - it's an album which the called "the best of the wailers" it's just coincidence that it is the best of the wailers), it's not really reggae - it's rocksteady, though. It's produced by Leslie Kong.
That's an example of the sound, above.
Also, there's Soul Revolution Part II and Soul Rebels (which were produced by Lee Perry and show the roots of reggae being made). Both of them are also good, but The Best Of The Wailers is really the most enjoyable album, from start to finish.
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Great Beginnings and Middles are important...but people really remember bad endings.
Do you mean Small Talk? That's the last album with the band, although Sly kept the name. Apart from Nirvana (who I don't like, but were definately getting better before Kurt Cobain died), everyone on that list have significantly gone, or went, downhill from their best work during their history. Quite a few of them went, or are, far worse than Sly and The Family Stone, even if you do include the stuff Sly did after the band broke up.
Another one of my favourite American bands are The Turtles, although they weren't really very influential:
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obivously, the beach boys from that list.
but what about:
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any chance of posting the rest of the lists?
josh t pearson was the lead singer of lift to experience, who made one fantastic album about 10 years ago, and then split up - then for the next 10 years some of us waited for what pearson would do next. it's a really good album, but not as good as lift to experience.
you decide which is better:
that was lift to experience, this is josh's new album:
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the actual album is great. so much better than that broadway sounding redux. i'm at a loss as to why they just didn't release this instead. i could do with out the 30 versions of HaV as well as GV. is the single disc available?
He says he was affraid of touching the old stuff - he thought people wouldn't like it. He says that before the 2004 album he started playing a few of the smile songs live and was surprised people loved them so much, which gave him the confidence to do the 2004 thing. Then, when he got the praise from the 2004 version, it gave him enough confidence to put out this. I think all that stuff shows how destroyed he was that Mike Love acted the way he did, and that the rest of the band didn't stick up for him - those views of the music couldn't be based on what he thought himself of it all.
It's not loads of versions of those tracks, it's session highlights from each section from those songs, so nothing repeats itself, as such. Really, it's mental how he even managed to finish good vibrations, with using that method. If he was the same person making that music, but around today with computer editing, he'd have had the whole lot finished in a couple of weeks and not gone mental (which is why The Wondermints were able to do what they did with re-recording it all so easily).
are there 'new' overdubs on this a la the recent stones and bruce?
No overdubs at all.
It's still nothing at all like it would have been if it had been finished in 1967. All those minor tracks between the big songs would have been sections within Heroes & Villians or Surf's Up etc... and never have been given so much space on the album - and therefore each of those big songs would have been even better than they sound now - which pretty amazing. But, other than the fact that they copied the 2004 running order (which I guess they had no option to do, really) - I've got no complaints.
The greatest thing about it all to me is just how far ahead he was compared to Sgt Pepper with the sound (just ignoring who wrote better songs and focusing on the production) - that's the thing I don't get, when he says he heard that album he thought The Beatles had beaten him to the punch.
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another late 60s band - Blossom Toes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPfQYb9DUNQ
There are a million bands like this, that sold nothing back in the day, but people are reissuing them now to great acclaim. I think that's the opposite of some of the people LouieB mentioned like Peter Paul & Mary, Judy Collins etc etc... they were well known at the time, and so seem stuck in that time - whereas a lot of this other stuff that nobody bought is better liked now because it seems ahead of its time whilst still having a vintage feel. That's my take on why a lot of the bigger named people LouieB mentioned aren't talked about any more, eventhough a lot of what they did is good. There's also other people like Tim Hardin (which he mentioned) that just seemed to squander their gift - so there is that "well, he could have done better" thing surrounding his career - certainly after his first two albums.
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Funnily enough I was playing that Jan & Lorraine record earlier this week, good choice.
Speaking of female duos with only one record, here's a sister act that released their sole record in 1969:
Wendy & Bonnie - Genesis
yeah, it's a pretty good album. the super furry animals sample Wendy & Bonnie at the start of Hello Sunshine (from Phantom Power), well, I say sample - they just use the start of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT2TiE0GRgo
Don't know how well known Long John Baldry is anywhere apart from the UK, but he gave both Rod Stewart & Elton John help in the very early stages of their careers - and they both repaid him by jointly producing 2 of his best albums from the early 1970s
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Jan & Lorraine
Made only one album - Gypsy People in 1969
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axFnWWMQeMo
No point going on about this stuff, unless people want some advice, so I'll just post songs and if people like any of it I'll talk more.
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The Savage Rose - This song is from their 3rd (and my favourite) album Your Daily Gift - 1970
They're also from Denmark, which is a bit weird concidering what they sound like
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Elmer Gantry's Velvet Opera - 1968
Couple of the band went on to start The Strawbs (another great band on their first few albums)
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Just a little heads up here: Tom Ze's debut is being reissued later this month (well, here in the UK, anyway - so you might have to get it on import in the US), pretty good Tropicalia - not quite up there with the other big names from the scene, but still really really good.
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Speaking of VDP. I saw him mentioned in the music credits for this $3 DVD I bought of Goin' South - a Jack Nicholson directing/starring comedy western (the film he did right before The Shining).
Does anyone have an opinion on VDP's solo albums? I have long wondered about Song Cycle.
Van Dyke Parks has, just now, got a compilation out called Arrangements Vol. 1 which is the best place to start - whilst most of the tracks are very rare (first time on cd etc...) in many ways they are his most accessible.
tracks like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzmxt-_QoDU
The other thing is Van Dyke Parks produced Randy Newman's debut album - Randy Newman Creates Something New Under The Sun. He also arranged some of the tracks from the Beau Brummel's - Bradley's Barn. I'd recommend both of these, then I'd also recommend getting Song Cycle and Discover America (both sound quite different, but both great). And then, well that's it really - apart from the fact that he arranged the orchestration on Joanna Newsom's Ys, if you haven't heard that, then it's a must too.
Top 3 All Time Underrated things on music earth
in Someone Else's Song
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Are you confusing it with Dylan (A Fool Such As I)? Even if you are, that's got some fantastic songs on it too. As for Self Portrait, I play it more than every other Dylan album (apart from John Wesley Harding). On the whole, it has a brilliant sound to it, and the session musicians are about as good as it gets, too. Acutally, I'd rate Belle Isle and Copper Kettle as two of my favourite recordings from him across his entire career. I've said on here a number of times that this is the one period I'd love to see a bootleg series release from him.
Anyway, I'd, therefore, say it's probably overrated by me.
I can't be bothered to do an underrated list. I wouldn't know where to begin. I think it can be annoying when people have to give up making music because they can't make ends meet (if that qualifies as underrated), but as I don't take a cut of any of their profits I don't really care how many people know about / don't know about, admire or hate any given thing. in the modern world if people are good they can make music themselves and distribute it so even having no money is really such a great barrier as it was.