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John Pat and Glen sat in with Mother Hips on Neil Young’s Out On The Weekend, nice! Two of my faves together! Great vocal  by John and great Sansone solo!

https://youtu.be/KS9U1evXqzw?si=dQk_GcpjkLvSXaMr

Sitting vs standing is certainly related to favorite songs vs unfamiliar songs but also separate.  I'm a stander for sure and I'd prefer to stand all night and prefer the majority of an audience does too.  I like to dance and rock out and I like concerts in which audiences are active participants instead of passive receivers.  I also vastly prefer to hear old songs than new.  Main reason is that most of Wilco's best songs are older and their newer stuff I just don't think is as good, just my opinion, and that is a trend that holds true for me with almost every band I've ever liked. I do think a few songs on Cruel Country like Base Of My Skull and Many Worlds are the best songs they've put out since Wilco The Album.

But I think it's pretty much human nature to be less excited for songs with which people do not yet have a history or emotional relationship with.  Jeff gets this, even though it may disappoint him, as evidenced when he said people will want to hear these new songs in a year.  For me, and I think for many people, you have to get to know a song and connect to it over time to have a strong connection with it and thus a desire to hear it or excitement for it.  It's like people.  When I meet a stranger I don't know enough about them to be excited.  Maybe I will be excited to see them one day if a relationship develops, but when they are unfamiliar, there is nothing yet there to connect to in an excited way, except with rare exceptions.  That's just how I see it, but for me it's not surprising or disappointing at all that most people don't react to the new songs liked they do their old faves.  The new songs are not obviously the highlights for most people, they are the part of the show hard to get excited about.

I was blown away by the beautiful Allmans/Dead-esque jam at the end of Bird Without a Tail.  Sounded a bit like Bird Song or a mellower Jessica, brightly meandering guitar lines, the first and second-timers that came us (Deadheads) were impressed.  It kinda took the place of the jam at then end of Many Worlds that they played last Fall in San Diego.  I'd gladly take both in one show! 

It did leave me wishing for more rockers, I'm still hungry for Monday/Outta Sight, I Got You, Box Full of Letters, etc.  I'm regretting not making it to the Los Angeles run, I'm sure all of those will be played.

Stoked for Side With The Seeds and Spiders!

No worries we got there just before Wilco started anyway,. Happy to be at same show as you regardless!

In Spiders Jeff went full hippie in his leading the crowd in a we are all together in this moment clap session, it almost made up for no sing along but I was doing my own too (along with some massive air guitar riffing, couldn’t help it, I LOVE that part so much!) I was seriously moved and joyful to hear Jeff say those ideals.

and goddamn if they didn’t nail US Blues, injecting it with a whole lot of rocking energy and sincere enthusiasm for its subversive, freak freely, weird ol’ America and summertime celebratory spirit. Nels channels Garcia beautifully then Mike took that great organ solo. Did Pat or Jeff take a solo too I forget, but it made me so happy.

Donna what % of shows you are at do they play Spiders? Do they play it when they know you are there? I wanna go to more shows you are at !!😆

I agree new songs for the past four albums are not as good as older stuff, but are always better live but I really appreciate the return to country roots leanings on Cruel Country and while these songs aren’t very lively their subtle goodness is more vivid live.  Wasn’t the 2nd extended guitar section in the ending of Story To Tell?

Roadie’s? setlist from kidsmoke! 
what the helll has got into Wilco?!? I’ve never heard them rock extended guitar solos like that! Pat was ON FIRE!!! Nels and him channeling Duane Allman and Dickie Betts with the fiery dual leads, the unison licks and the huge long crescendos . Holy shit Batman! What a great show!

Four words - Pat Sansone Lead Guitar!!

PS in celebration of the Grateful Dead FINALLY conquering the hearts and minds of Wilco I’ll be sporting  a Jerry Garcia tshirt 😝

I grew up here, saw a lot of shows there but none in over 30 years! It will be cool and weird to return!

David Gilmour in ‘83

Stevie Ray Vaughan with Bonnie Raitt opening in ‘86

Ratt, Fastway, Zebra in ‘83 hahaha!

The Animals in early eighties too

Laurie and I are sec C row C 11 & 12 or see ya in the beer line! 

2 hours ago, bböp said:

#FuckingHippies  

We are everywhere! 😁

anyone up for some hacky sack or other cooperative non-competitive sporting activity? 😆🌈🫶🤘🎸🥁

Wilco-loving Deadheads gotta stick together! .  For us, victory and surrender are concepts that don't apply to music, not a battle, no borders or boundaries, only music that moves you or doesn't.  This was gonna happen sooner or later, ha ha ha!!!

SOLD

Sec C, Row C, Seats 

Tumbling Dice - so gloriously behind the beat with the Exile sound!

Bitch - it rocks perhaps the hardest with the best horn part in a Stones song

Honky Tonk Women - quintessential Stones with that cowbell opener, just can't beat it.  It could sum up the Stones in just one song for someone who knew nothing about them.

For me best Stones is '69 -''72 but I don't disagree with any of the songs others chose

3 hours ago, Muzzle of Dan said:

 

Really hoping we get a multi-night LA run in 2022!

 

I had a friend who went to Chicago and I was very jealous of those crazy setlists, however I'm grateful for that SB show. It was pure joy. Where To Begin in SB was just like ultimate bliss. Glad to know a fellow witness to the glory of that show. Grateful they found what they needed to keep the magic alive.

The  Wiltern Theater run in 2012, I think, was so fantastic with all the covers they were playing then (It Makes No Difference, Rocket Man), a return to that venue would stoke me.  Pantages in Hollywood? Ace Theater downtown?  Something like that is probably gonna happen.

On 10/18/2021 at 3:47 PM, Muzzle of Dan said:

 

My wife and I saw them in Santa Barbara and they were just ON FIRE. We have seen them lots of times including NYE in Denver, Red Rocks, Jazzfest in NOLA and multiple times around LA - this show was among my favorite times we've seen them. Can't wait for the new record.

I went to that show too and I concur.  If you want answers to a lot of the questions we were asking or theories we were posting in this thread the last two years, the Relix mag. cover story pretty much answers them all.

My Morning Jacket did pretty much break up or at least indefinite hiatus but they reassessed, worked it out, got stoked and they are back big time!  It was clear as can be in that performance that they are loving being MMJ again, they understand what they have to offer the world and how precious it is to them.  It was my first show since 2015, everything about it from the band's performance to the crowd, the venue, the road trip over from AZ with friends, was a big welcome back celebration.

Where's the next show???  More multi-night runs are what they are mentioning to make touring better for them and more sustainable as a lifestyle.  I'm all for it, did you see the setlists from three nights in Chicago last week?  Killer!

Instagram teaser yesterday for a new album, its that Waterfall II they recorded a long time ago finally being released.  I'm pretty starved for Jacket in any form, so this is exciting to me!

https://pitchfork.com/news/my-morning-jacket-releasing-first-new-album-in-5-years-this-week/

I don't think I should have to put "in my opinion" or "to me" at the end of every sentence I say when it couldn't be more obvious I'm talking about nothing but my own personal tastes.  

 

What would be condescending is if I did say that because I assumed you or others on this board needed me to.  

 

Before I saw your post I was watching some Marcus King videos. The guy can sing and play great, without question, and the songs were quite nice.  I wish I could play guitar as good as he can.  He also seems like a great guy.  But if you understand the context of what I was (in my opinion, quite obviously) saying, his music isn't really giving me anything I haven't already received countless times over a very long period of time from others, including the Allmans. (I've participated extensively on the Allmans thread on this forum if you're looking for me to prove I like the Allmans and/or classic rock.)

 

So, tying this all back into what Tweedy said: 

 

If I were a music star who just put out a new album, and I was talking to the music press about the challenges of finding fresh ways to create and record music (which is ALWAYS the context of music magazine interviews with Tweedy when new Wilco albums come out, at least since Summerteeth), I also may have said something easily misinterpreted like "rock music is boring."  When what he really (and in my opinion, obviously) meant is not so much that rock music is boring, but that it isn't where he's finding the inspiration he needs in order to create fresh music.  

 

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I never said anyone was less than me, nor have I treated anyone that way. I can't let that go unchallenged. 

The condescending part of what you said is implying that everyone must surely share your opinion about how boring classic rock is.  You could have just spoken for yourself and not been indirectly dismissive of people who happen to not share your opinion.  "Is anybody NOT bored by a group of white guys playing guitar, guitar, bass, drums, vocals in a slightly shouty, distorted, boozy manner?  I sure as hell am."

It really doesn't take much effort to be considerate in discussions of opinion about art and aesthetics and its kinder to do so.

Surely you understand that there's rock music that isn't in the Faces/Stones mold, or the Replacements mold, or isn't something people would point to and say "THAT is a prime example of rock and roll."

 

As I already said, look at the lineup for any year of Solid Sound. 

 

I love classic rock, but there's nobody doing that now whose records I would buy.  Not that there's nobody doing it well (for example, Marcus King Band seems pretty good.  They surely can play, but they're basically just the Allmans).  But it's tired and doesn't provide any fresh inspiration.  I got the inspiration that comes from that well a long time ago, and when I hear a band that are obviously huge Stones fans, sometimes I think it's good, but it's usually forgettable.    To be inspired now, I need a fresher take.

 

I find that in artists like Ohmme, Sam Evian, Cate Le Bon, Dungen, Omni, and lots of others.

 

This Born Stoned song is not bad by any means.   I wouldn't turn it off if I was listening to the radio.  But like Marcus King Band, it scratches an itch that's already been scratched.  This sounds like a mashup of Neil Young and Dire Straits.  

 

I guess what I want is music to scratch a new itch.  An itch I didn't even know I had. 

Your tastes are your tastes and there is nothing wrong with that.  But when you make a sweeping condescending generalization about new iterations of classic rock, it seems you are trying to justify your own opinion by stating that everybody else surely must think as you do, when clearly not everyone does.  I like classic rock and I like new iterations of it, so I guess that makes me a "nobody"in your view.  i don't like punk or goth or most art rock or most indie rock.  I don't think those band have done much to master the craft of playing roots-based music.  I get that they purposely don't want to do that, nothing wrong with that.  Some find it fresh and inspiring, others like me find it unenjoyable, uncompelling. I find Marcus King to be fresh and inspiring for exactly the reasons you find him tired and uninspiring.   He's a fucking genius virtuoso playing with passion and intensity and coming from an authentic and hard-earned understanding of classic idioms of American musical traditions. you say his just doing the Allmans as a derogatory mark while I saw he's doing the Allmans as high praise.  He's doing something that very few bands are doing today and doing it an exceptional level, at least in my opinion.  My point is that you don't really have to undermine some one else's opinion to make yours legitimate, its legitimate on its own.  Treating people who like classic rock as less than you is just plain arrogance.

I'm sure I like the show quite a bit myself, although I'll always look for a Scarlet>Fire if I'm going for a '77 show. Weirdly enough, the headyversion.com votes are for the opening Might As Well and the Black Peter as being GOAT status. I'll have to give it a listen to see if I beg to differ.

While the 10/29/77 Might As Well is intense, its kinda out of control careening off the tracks and Jerry is screaming more than singing at the end, but it does rock, must've been awesome in person.  Try the Let It Grow from this show, blazing and soaring and rocking!

I guess it depends what he means by rock and roll.  Is anybody NOT bored by a group of white guys playing guitar, guitar, bass, drums, vocals in a slightly shouty, distorted, boozy manner?  I sure as hell am.

 

 

I'm not, not when its done with skill, craft, and passion.  I'd love nothing more than Wilco to play a whole set of Stones-y rock 'n' roll.  I think they are one of the greatest bands of all time at this kind of music, even if they only play it reluctantly (maybe its just Jeff who is reluctantly rocking out, Pat and Glenn sure don't look reluctant when they are tearing through I Got You and Outtasite).  I draw a direct line from Wilco to the Stones to Chuck Berry on these songs and to me that is high high company to be in. 

No these were not taped for the TV show