John Smith

This thread is a joke right?

The beatles

Dylan

Springsteen

Stones

Radiohead

REM

Replacements

The Clash

etc... Many bands have made 5 in a row better than Wilco.

Snowden? He'll melt under the lights...

http://www.amazon.com/Snowden-Nancy-Carlso...9554&sr=8-9

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Jude you are reading way more into what I wrote than what I actually wrote, there are two different issues going on and you are lifting thoughts and quotes from one conversation and automatically applying them to another and making judgments about the intersection of those points that are not at all what I was intending, or saying. With the Rutgers/Imus case my comments were strictly about how the whole course of the discussion was eerily reminiscent of what I heard many times during the 1960's. I was not equating Sharpton or Jackson with King, I was equating the discourse of the uninvolved i.e. us on this thread, the talking heads on FOX & CNN etal... with discussion I heard in the 60's. I also was not equating the Rutgers kids with the Duke Kids, never did I make that equation, though you seemed to have inferred that was exactly my point.

The Duke kids are 19 - 22 year old kids (I'm taking the whole lacrosse team into account as they have all been tainted) They have their whole lives ahead of them. Or does their life, and the life of any person falsely accused end when they charges are dropped? They are not all from wealthy back grounds, but many are. Now that this is over these guys do have to pick up the pieces and move on, you can not erase what is already out there. The prosecutor and press were wrong from day one. They should have investigated quietly and competently then either issued charges or dropped the issue. Instead the prosecutor went out of control, the press went out of control (both ways blindly condemning the kids and the accuser). Yes these guys have been damaged and vilified, yet in the long run they have some very valuable tools to aid them in moving on. Should they finish school they will have a degree from Duke, which is a very valuable thing. A degree from Duke opens doors that many of us with degrees from public institutions don't even know exist. Duke is one of these very privileged schools (like Harvard, Yale, Notre Dame etc...) Where the graduate network is available to use for some great career choices. These guys will get on with their lives, they may or may not be haunted by this for years to come, I don't know, I am not a psychologist and do not know any of them. They will have an easier time of it than say a guy who was sent to death row 20 years ago, who turned out to be innocent, how does that guy move on? I don't know, he just does, just as they will.

Now how you made the jump from me comparing the Duke guys to the Rutgers girls using my thoughts and words is beyond me. Except for the fact that these are high profile college students in both cases (Athletes are always high profile at big schools) and the issue is black/white (though with the Duke case I would argue that the prosecutor's incompetence was the main issue, not the race of the parties involved...I think he had an axe to grind with Duke students) there is little in common that I see. The Duke guys were the focus of the issue, they were vilified by some lionized by others. With the Rutgers girls they were ancillary to Imus comments, They could have been any college team, the actual girls themselves were props to the story. I didn't make the Rutgers girls out to be victims, I don't make Imus out to be a racist prick. I think he is just a prick who tosses out stuff like the Nappy Headed Ho comments all the time and about lots of people other than just blacks. Was the Imus issue blown out of proportion? Sure was. Was his firing justifiable? Yep. But how can that be if I say it was blown out of proportion, simple, it is all business. As soon as one major sponsor dropped (P&G) Imus fate was sealed. Companies don't want to be associated with controversy. And P&G is a company that has so many brands out there to hit various segments of the market that they could not take a chance that they might lose business from the black segments. They are a low margin company who make their money with volume and they can not afford to lose volume.

The last thing I have to say on either topic is regarding the Rap/Radio host double standards. Leaders in the black community for years have been trying to put pressure on rappers to change the tone of their work. I don't listen to much rap so I have no clue as to the pervasiveness of ho/bitch etc... in the lyrics. It is a different ball of wax though from the Imus issue. With the Rap they don't have sponsorship, so it is very hard to put pressure on sponsors not to support various artists, though retailers have the right not to stock the stuff when it comes out. Pressure can be brought to bear on the retailers, and it has sporadically, pressure can be brought to bear on the artists, and it has, but they do what they do regardless because it sells. Is it a double standard? Maybe, but I've said it before it all comes down to money. If MSNBC were in the record business they would sell records spouting the same stuff Imus got fired for because Imus cost them sponsors $$ and a rap CD that sells a million copies makes them money. Imus would still have a job if sponsors did not leave and rappers would get dropped by their label if they did not make money. But I don't think it is a double standard because black community leaders have been working agaisnt the whole gangtsa rap culture for years, whether people believe it or not.

I'm done seee ya.

I might be missing your intention, but you're not comparing al sharpton to MLK are you?

Nope I'm comapring the tone & timbre of this discussion to the 1960's and noting how it really brings back memories of things I heard way back when. Of course I could extend that to the anti war movement too as what dad and his army buddies said about protesters back then echoes what I hear quite frequently today.

How do they get their lives back? Easy they graduate from Duke and take advantage of the Duke degree which openns a whole lot of doors for them. These guys are actually in a better off position to move forward than some people who are flasely accused or imprisioned do.

Thise whole thread reminds me so much of listenign to my father and his friends talking about MLK back in the 1960's. Dad did not shed a tear when King was killed and always considered him an unwanted agitator comming into situations he did not belong in. He always downplayed the situation at hand deriding the blacks for wanting any change. Later he was able to blame everything on King annd the Panthers. If dad were alive today he might have a diifferent view of the world since he would have a hispanic grand daughter and two black great grand kids, who knows, maybe not.

album: Paul McCartney & Wings - Venus & Mars

Concert - Pink FLoyd Animals tour

So after they hang Imus out to dry will it stop there or will the slur police\lynch mob attempt to work its way to the center of the 'real' problem. I'm guessing no.

It is not about hanging him out to dry it is a business decision. I work for a company that would never advertise on a show like Imus, or Stern, Or Rush etc... they stay away from controversey because it could affect the bottom line. When P&G pulls their ads it is because of possible effects on the bottom line. What went into P&G's decision? I don't know. Perhaps they had Imus on the radar? Perhaps they had no clue about his history and alleged history and are just learning as much in the last few days. Regardless, large companies want to steer clear of controversy and in the end it comes down to business and Imus ends up being bad business for P&G. I don't watch televised news so i have no clue how the sotry is playing out there, however I have a friend who watches fox news and his whole take on the thing is very similar to what has played out here in this thread. Is that the Fox slant? I have no clue, but whatever the slant be it from Sharpton, Fx MSNBC the NY Post, the NY Times, regardless of all that what he said was demeaning to that particular group of young ladies who are trying to move beyond those stereo types. Way back int he 70's I had shoulder length hair, and I had friend who were in the wrong crowds and it was always assumed that I was one of them, in spite of my playing sports and getting decent enough grades to go to college. Some of those people who had that pereception of me were surprised to see that I never was waht they suspected. And if you blanket these girls with stereo types like they have ben ht with, wll it can do is cause them harm in the long run.

Care to explain that? I'm not getting your point.

Rap music, like radio is a business, the guys in charge will go with whomever makes them money, they will put Satan on air if ratings were good and they would sell audio of almost anything if kids would buy the songs. With Rappers they say what they say and they call it art. It is primarily directed at a black audience so they can get away with it on that account. (Please I get that white kids from the suburbs buy it too) Anyhow this will ultimately become a business decision and if a couple more sponsors drop imus he will be gone. By the same token if a rapper who uses the same lingo fails to sell he is gone too. In other words the use of the words and who gets to keep using them on the public airwaves will be a business decision.

As to people harping on about rappers using the same language I say there is no comparison because they seem to be saying sure Imus is wrong but so are rappers so Imus should be allowed to move on with his show. I read that as two wrongs making a right, which is wrong. Music is under close scrutiny all the time as is radio and television, so there are people out there pushing these issues on both sides of the ball, including the dreaded Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson.

Like I said before in coorporate America I woudl be fired on the spot. Imus, whom I have never listened to so I don't know his history, has thus far been given far more leeway than I would have gotten.

They aren't offended by what he said (since rap/hip hop artists say far worse), but rather they are offended because he's white and said it. And when I say "they", I really only mean the Al Sharptons of the world because who knows how offended normal people are.

I have no idea whhat Sharpton, Jackson etal have said however think of it this way...your brother can call you an asshole and it will not hit you the same way as if a stranger called you the same thing.

I would be fired on the spot at my job for saying the same thing...no questions asked no chance to explain my poor sense of humor, no chance to offer apologies real or feigned. And I believe that is the genrally accepted norm in corporate America, so why the flap about the shit hitting Imus? It would hit any one of us much harder and much swifter. The comparison to rap music also is null and void as there is no real world comparison between the two issues except from right wingers bent on makign this non-issue an issue. Rappers would be dropped by their labels if they didn't sell regardless of the content of their work.

OK so Jason is gone, well the way I see it is a globe can only have two Poles. So with Jason gone lets engage in baseless speculation as to why he "left voluntarily" or was forced out of the band...

In all seriousness though, I liked Jason just fine, but like Cooley's and Hoods songs much more. Will I miss him? Don't know until the next album comes out, I don't really see this causing a radical change of direction for the band. I think they will continue rolling along and the change will be as seamless as when he joined the band.

I don't have any one favorite, it alll depends on my mood. Buut some are:

Down By the RIver/Cowgirl in the Sand

Everybody Knows this is nowhere

Barstool Blues

Cortez the Killler

Old Man

Captain Kennedy

Southern Pacific

Like a Hurricaine

Powderfinger

Pocahontas

Comes a time

thanks for the input from everyone....i wanna steer clear of anything on the Box set coming out in september.

Now that's funny. I'll believe that when I see it.

With Neil it all depends on what of his you like. I have pretty much most of them sans a few of his more recent releases and I like (i.e. the one's I pull of the shelf most often to listen to)...

Tonight's the Night

Zuma

Rust Never Sleeps

Everybody Knows This is Nowhere

After the Gold Rush

But those are some of the usual suspects. Less popular Neil Albums I like are...

REACTOR

Hawks & Doves

Comes A Time

Mirrorball

Ragged Glory

El Dorado

Which is not to say I don't like the rest. As to his infamous 1980's output the Album Lucky 13 covers it pretty well.

My son gets Bass Player magazine. This months issue has Mike Watt on the cover. I have not read the article yet, but the cover photo shows one bad ass mofo. It's got to be one of the best cover photos that magazine has ever run. If the article is half as good I'll be greatly pleased. Hopefully my son (he's 10 and into more current stuff) will read this and learn something.

I think there's a fair chance Pete will get in posthumously, but I don't think it will happen in his lifetime. The lifetime ban was instituted partially to use him as a warning to others--its harsh, but I don't think we'll see them back down from that. But I do wonder if he'll be granted a bit of forgiveness once he's gone. After all, if part of the Hall's job is to record the history of the game, it would be a glaring omission to go on pretending he never existed.

Not to nitpick or anything, but getting in posthumously by definition means it will not happen in his lifetime.

He knew the penalty before he ever placed a bet, but he bet that he was bigger than the game. I grew up watching Pete Rose for years annd I thought that he was an ass all his career, granted a hard playing ass who had the great fortune to not ever get seriously injured, but an ass nonetheless. I could not stand him back then and hhe has done ntohing since he quit playing to change my mind.

By the way Pete isin the Hall of Fame, just not an induucted member. They have Pete's name where it should be on all the record charts and his presence is acknowledged, is is just not in the shrine portion.

The baseball hall of fame is great. But for other things to do? Hmmm Let me see Try these...

http://cooperstown.net/

http://www.cooperstown.com/

I loved the place it is a very attractive community. I was there specifically to see the HOF but they seem to have a lot more going for them than just the HOF.

Thank you for participating, but I think you meant to post this in the "list some Wilco albums in non-chronological order and add numbers next to the title" thread.

I know exactly what thread this is... its the pompus wilco fans think they are funny thread, which is exactly why I did what I did.

Being There 9.0

YHF 9.0

AM 8.0

Summerteeth 7.5

AGIB 5.0

Kicking Television 0.0

If we add MA I & II I give them 8.5 and 7.0 respectively.

I know I will get hammered for Kicking Television, but I hate the noise that keeps reappearing. OK I get it but does it have to be in every other song?

Whoops I just posted thi in another thread befor I saw it here, my bad...

Yahoo News is reporting that Brad Delp lead singer of Boston was found dead today he was 55.

Lead singer of the band Boston dies

03/09/2007 11:57 PM, AP

Brad Delp, the lead singer for the band Boston, was found dead Friday in his home in southern New Hampshire. He was 55.

Atkinson police responded to a call for help at 1:20 p.m. and found Delp dead. Lt. William Baldwin said in a news release that there was no indication of foul play.

"There was nothing disrupted in the house. He was a fairly healthy person from what we're able to ascertain," Police Chief Philip Consentino told WMUR-TV.

Delp apparently was alone at the time, Baldwin said.

The cause of death remained under investigation. Police said an incident report would not be available until Monday.

Delp sang on Boston's 1976 hits "More than a Feeling" and "Long Time." He also sang on Boston's most recent album, "Corporate America," released in 2002.

He joined the band in the early 1970s after meeting Tom Scholz, an MIT student interested in experimental methods of recording music, according to the group's official Web site. The band enjoyed its greatest success and influence during its first decade.

The band's last appearance was in November 2006 at Boston's Symphony Hall.

On Friday night, the Web site was taken down and replaced with the statement: "We just lost the nicest guy in rock and roll."

A call to the Swampscott, Mass., home of Boston guitarist Barry Goudreau was not immediately returned Friday night.

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Whether you like Boston or not, they were a breath of fresh air back when they first came out. They were definately a part of the musical landscape I grew up with. Boston, Kiss, Queen, Zep, Skynerd, Fleetwood Mac, the Eagles etc... It

no, you're silly.

 

what was this thread supposed to be about anyway. somebody take the wheel.

I say it's silly because only a diehard Wilco fan would even make this comparison. The band has been broken up for 30 years now. When they broke up it was news, they were an institution, part of the American music conscious. After 10 years of existence many of the bands songs were ubiquitous immovable parts of our musical landscape. After more than ten years of existence is there one single Wilco song that can lay claim to being in the pantheon of American Music? None that I can think of, though die hard fans would beg to differ. Would I personally like to listen to YHF more than Music from Big Pink? Some days yes, some days no. But regardless of the mood of the day I recognize that the band is in a totally different class than Wilco. The reality is that Wilco at this point in time has occupied a niche in the market, their music is not wide spread and not making impact on the musical landscape. If Wilco were to break up today it would most likely make them a footnote in American Music history and except for the most diehard of fans it would be a non-event. Of course that's not to say that in ten or twenty years the situation may change. Heck they could end up like Love or the Velvets or Big Star and get that label of the band who influenced everybody. But as of today, no.