myboyblue Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 He is undoubtedly a great player. However, as he's shown, and many have shown before him, a great player does not equate to a great team. I was actually starting to come around to Pro Basketball again due to the Bulls being really watchable and a team that I can respect. This would send me running in the opposite direction. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
burns3 Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Bulls fans, how's your 2nd round rookie, JamesOn Curry, looking? i've followed him at OSU the last few years but question how he'll do in the NBA... he may end up in the NBDL please Pax, no Kobe Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Umm... technically, yeah. But what has he done without Shaq? He wanted it to be HIS team and he got his wish. With his recent track record, would you want YOUR team to be HIS team? If not for Wade, you'd be able to say "what has shaq done". So, yeah. Whatever, I hope Kobe stays in the West. The Bulls aren't going to win any titles with the team they have, unless Deng somehow lives up to the unrealistic (and uncalled for) hype Bulls fans have created for him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 doesn't that seem like a lot to give up?No. He is undoubtedly a great player. However, as he's shown, and many have shown before him, a great player does not equate to a great team. I was actually starting to come around to Pro Basketball again due to the Bulls being really watchable and a team that I can respect. This would send me running in the opposite direction. So, a trade that would make them a better team would send you running? Doesn't make sense. Right now they are the same team they were last year. Jump-shooting. If they're not hitting jumpers, they lose. They can't win a championship with this roster, especially with other teams in the East making some moves. Bobbob is right on with all of this, IMO. The Deng love around here is plain silly. He's a really good player, and has a lot of upside, but anyone who would not want to give up Luol Deng in a trade for Kobe is an idiot. It's KOBE FRIGGIN' BRYANT people! He's a top 10 player all-time, maybe pushing the top-5. The latest is that Kobe said he would not want to be traded to the Bulls if they were giving up Deng. Obviously, he wants someone left to play with at a high level. If the Lakers will take Gordon, Thomas, Noah and a pick, it's a no-brainer, and the Bulls would become the favorite in the East. (Nocioni can't be traded until December, and Hinrich more valuable than many give him credit for.) Tonight is the deadline for Gordon to sign a new deal. If he doesn't, then I think this might still be on. I think the Bulls would be smart to not sign him now so they can still make this work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 The assumption that the addition of Bryant (coupled with the subtraction of Gordon, Thomas, Noah, et al) automatically turns the Bulls into a title contender is ridiculous. The presence of Bryant does not guarantee a powerhouse team -- see Los Angeles Lakers, 2004-present for proof of that. Bryant's not over the hill yet, but he'll turn 30 next year, and it's reasonable to believe that his best years are either behind him or soon will be. Plus, the addition of Bryant still doesn't address the Bulls' frontcourt issues -- unless they can also scare up a big man who can score in the paint, they're likely to fare no better than the recent Shaq-less Lakers. I'm sure the Lakers would love to unload Bryant and get to work on a legitimate re-building plan, but the Bulls have a terrific young team who are one piece (a frontcourt big-man scorer, not a ball-hog guard/small forward) away from greater things. A trade like this only hurts them in the long term. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 The assumption that the addition of Bryant (coupled with the subtraction of Gordon, Thomas, Noah, et al) automatically turns the Bulls into a title contender is ridiculous. The presence of Bryant does not guarantee a powerhouse team -- see Los Angeles Lakers, 2004-present for proof of that. Bryant's not over the hill yet, but he'll turn 30 next year, and it's reasonable to believe that his best years are either behind him or soon will be. Plus, the addition of Bryant still doesn't address the Bulls' frontcourt issues -- unless they can also scare up a big man who can score in the paint, they're likely to fare no better than the recent Shaq-less Lakers. I'm sure the Lakers would love to unload Bryant and get to work on a legitimate re-building plan, but the Bulls have a terrific young team who are one piece (a frontcourt big-man scorer, not a ball-hog guard/small forward) away from greater things. A trade like this only hurts them in the long term.Sorry, Cryptique, but you're way off here. 1) The Lakers have absolute shit other than Bryant. We're talking players that would have a hard time starting on other NBA teams. The Bulls will still have Hinrich, Deng, Nocioni and Wallace. Some consider the Bulls a title contender now (at least the East title, beating the West is a different story), and this move clearly improves the team, so yes, it would indeed make them a contender. Plus, Gordon is one-dimensional and can't guard anyone. Hinrich is killing himself on defense. Not too many point guards have to guard the other team's best player.2) NBA players are considered to be just hitting their prime at this age. See Michael Jordan, Karl Malone, Bird, etc, etc.. Kobe could still get better (scary).3) Frontcourt big-man scorers simply do not exist (with few exceptions) for the Bulls to get. They're just not out there. If it was just "one-piece", then why haven't they done it? Like I said, they're the same team they were last year, which won't get it done. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big Kobe fan as a person, and I don't like how he has handled things lately in LA, but I'm ready to see the Bulls take the next step. Getting the best player in the league and one of the best all time has to be considered, no matter the cost. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 We'll just have to disagree on this. I say the addition of Bryant makes the Bulls worse, especially in the long term. Hopefully we'll never find out for sure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 We'll just have to disagree on this. I say the addition of Bryant makes the Bulls worse, especially in the long term. Hopefully we'll never find out for sure. Yeah, I guess we'll see what happens. I'll still enjoy watching them either way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 Yeah, I guess we'll see what happens. I'll still enjoy watching them either way.I wish I could say that. I don't particularly enjoy watching The Kobe Show. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 I wish I could say that. I don't particularly enjoy watching The Kobe Show.So, you wouldn't even watch Kobe if he joins the Bulls? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 The assumption that the addition of Bryant (coupled with the subtraction of Gordon, Thomas, Noah, et al) automatically turns the Bulls into a title contender is ridiculous. The presence of Bryant does not guarantee a powerhouse team -- see Los Angeles Lakers, 2004-present for proof of that. Bryant's not over the hill yet, but he'll turn 30 next year, and it's reasonable to believe that his best years are either behind him or soon will be. Plus, the addition of Bryant still doesn't address the Bulls' frontcourt issues -- unless they can also scare up a big man who can score in the paint, they're likely to fare no better than the recent Shaq-less Lakers. I'm sure the Lakers would love to unload Bryant and get to work on a legitimate re-building plan, but the Bulls have a terrific young team who are one piece (a frontcourt big-man scorer, not a ball-hog guard/small forward) away from greater things. A trade like this only hurts them in the long term. There are, maybe 3 players who are legitimate frontcourt, big-man, scorers right now (KG, Shaq, Yao). And I'd say right now, you'd have to give up a whole lote more to get any of those, because they are at such a premium right now. Kobe's value is relatively low since he's unhappy in LA, this is the type of move you jump at. You are one piece away, and that is a legitimate superstar offensive force. Kobe is the best of those legitimate superstar offensive forces (LBJ is the only other one who is even close), so unless you want to wait a few years for LeBron to be a FA, this is a move they have to make. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
myboyblue Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 So, a trade that would make them a better team would send you running? Doesn't make sense.I guess my point is that I don't believe that it will make them a better team. It may make them a "better team" for some portion of the year but I don't believe that he is a team player. Additionally, I've been turned off of the NBA by players not unlike Kobe. I prefer the college style where passing and assists are more predominant. That said, I'm more than comfortable with you having the opinion that this is a good thing so I'll just go ahead and leave it at that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 So, you wouldn't even watch Kobe if he joins the Bulls?Honestly, probably not. I don't like the guy. I'd probably just ignore the NBA for a while until he moved on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 Is it because he's too good at basketball? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 Is it because he's too good at basketball?No. I just do not enjoy the basketball stylings of Mr. Kobe Bryant. I mean, damn, douchebag, let someone else shoot once in a while. My interest in the NBA has waned considerably in recent years anyway, to the point where I track the progress of the Bulls and that's about it. If they bring Kobe in, I won't really have any reason to keep watching, because I will no longer be able to cheer for the Bulls. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 Who do you want him to let shoot more? Kwame Brown? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 No. I just do not enjoy the basketball stylings of Mr. Kobe Bryant. I mean, damn, douchebag, let someone else shoot once in a while.I think he'd be happy to not have to shoot all the time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 Officially not happening, at least not now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 "We kind of put it to rest now." A resolute statement if ever there was one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 He's trying to get the team focused. I think this will happen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobbob1313 Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 The Bulls don't look like they need Kobe anyways. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Duck-Billed Catechist Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 For whatever reason they have always started slow under Skiles. I assume they haven't suddenly gotten bad at basketball and will still be a 48-52 win team. Of course, that total could be much higher with Kobe. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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