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I've said it before, but there is no bigger sacred cow in music than Nirvana, and the sacred cow of their catalogue is 'Nevermind'. It's almost as though people will spit in your face if you voice displeasure about the band or album.

People will allow others to slag off The Beatles, because they will invariably bring up the Stones or The Who or The Kinks as being preferred and edgier. You can slag off the Sex Pistols as being nothing more than a catalyst whose music is far less significant than the music that its peers released (i.e the entire catalogue of The Clash, 'Cut the Crap' notwithstanding) and people could let it slide.

You can take the axe to Motown and say that it was nothing more than Berry Gordy peddling black music minus the soul to a white audience, and that the work of Atlantic and Stax was far better, grittier and rewarding and people may back down given the weight of evidence.

But people aren't allowed to slag off Nirvana. I think it was on this board where I was torn a new asshole because I dared to call 'Nevermind' nothing more than a good power pop record and Nirvana an average band who just happened to come across at a time where people were screaming for anything but what was on offer, and thanks to good timing and a crapload of David Geffen's money, happened to hit it big.

Needless to say they should always be marked with an asterisk and viewed in some sort of contempt for ushering in the whole 'alternative' music scene (which stopped being alternative once Def Leppard put out an 'alternative' album), something which music has yet to recover from unfortunately.

It's not a bad album at all - but it certainly shouldn't have been a watershed moment...

But that's just me

Seems like every since then, Robert has been trying to figure out ways to re-invent Zeppelin songs.

Which is odd, because the reason he jumped off the Page/Plant tour in 1998 was because he apparently didn't want to be reminded of the Zeppelin legacy.

Who knows what goes in that mind of his...

P.S Hey Percy, if Michael Bolton can cut his hair, so can you!

I can't believe how many people are hating on In Through the Out Door. My god it has some of the most beautiful and unique Zeppelin tracks: I'm Gonna Crawl, Carouselambra, All My Love. I know it's uncool to enjoy ITTOD but I do. Is it Zep's best? No, but it's not terrible by any means.

Plus, it's got 'Fool in the Rain' on there, and any album that has that song on there can't be bad...

This will be just the beginning, don't worry. I think part of Neil's new deal with Reprise that he signed a couple of years back included a big chunk of money demanding the Archives be released.

As for the Fillmore thing, the tracks are all killer, including the definitive 'Cowgirl in the Sand' and a 'Down By the River' that will make you wet yourself. Also included is a Crazy Horse version of 'Winterlong'.

Tracklist (rumoured);

Everybody Knows This is Nowhere

Winterlong

Down By the River

Wonderin'

Come On Baby Let's Go Downtown

Cowgirl in the Sand

Bear in mind that the shows the release is taken from were two shows from the same day with identical setlists, apart from DBtR and Cowgirl, and that the first half of each show was an acoustic set. The only song that's missing from the Crazy Horse section of the shows is 'Cinnamon Girl', something he's already released two live versions of. Apart from 'Downtown' (which appeared on Tonight's the Night), all of the above songs are first timers for a Crazy Horse live album.

We'll see if the bugger gets released!

"RIAA decides to use its ever-growing power to erase Britney Spears from people's memories"

"Neil Young Archives have been released"

page certainly isn't given enough credit for his production prowess...

I'm surprised he hasn't done more outside work since Zep disbanded. Maybe it was because with Zep he was in complete control (ITTOD maybe being an exception), could do his overdubs and get the songs sounding just right without having to tell anyone what to do.

I like the live versions of the Houses of The Holy songs - that album has such a weird sound that I have always found it hard to get into. Houses of The Holy was the last record album I bought when record stores actually carried record albums - pre-cd days.

Good point (although I will say that the studio version of 'The Rain Song' is unbeatable). The live version of 'The Ocean' from 1973 that's on the DVD is unbelievable, proof to anyone who says that a drummer isn't that vital is talkin' outta their ass - Bonham owns that song.

Oh, come on. Nobody actually likes Presence better than Houses. Jesus.

I do.

'Houses of the Holy' is my least favourite Zep album ('Coda' doesn't count). OK, so 'The Rain Song', 'No Quarter', 'The Song Remains the Same', 'Over the Hills and Far Away' and 'The Ocean' are all kick-ass songs, but the flow of the album is terrible and sounds more like a compilation than a studio album.

'Presence' is way underrated. Page is a god on this album.

Am I the only one who also thinks ITTOD gets nowhere enough love? Page's solo on 'I'm Gonna Crawl' is sublime, it's like you can hear the smack making his way through his veins as he plays it - top stuff.

FWIW, my order is;

III

IV

I

II

Presence

Physical Graffiti

ITTOD

Houses of the Holy

But I also agree that 'How the West Was Won' is a must-buy. Zeppelin live in 1972 is almost as good as they got - my preference is for the early Fillmore gigs from 1969, but the 1972 stuff is Zeppelin just before Plant's voice went out and the whole Zeppelin machine got too big. There are one-off things after this time that kick-ass, the Earls Court 'No Quarter' performances in 1975 were pretty awesome, as was June 1977, but this is when Zeppelin were their consistent best.

I've been waiting for this gig for ages.

It was screened on tv here shortly after it happened and my one overriding memory is the camera focusing on Paul Hester during "Don't Dream It's Over" (the final song) and you could see the tears streaming down his face.

Seeing that and knowing the depression he suffered which eventually led him to hi suicide makes it just that bit more sad.

Count me in as one who'll buy both as soon as they are released...

The Rain Song - Led Zeppelin

Tea For One - Led Zeppelin

Purple Rain - Prince

New York City Serenade - Bruce Springsteen

Jungleland - Bruce Springsteen

Frankie - Bruce Springsteen

Down By the River - Neil Young

Cowgirl in the Sand - Neil Young

Over and Over - Neil Young

Keep on Chooglin' - CCR

Maggot Brain - Funkadelic

The Four Horsemen - Metallica

Red Army Blues - The Waterboys

Can't You Hear Me Knocking? - The Rolling Stones

Oh! Sweet Nuthin' - The Velvet Underground

Heroin - The Velvet Underground

Good Times - Chic

Love Having You Around - Stevie Wonder

Those will do for now!

For some reason I had an itch to hear this song today. iTunes doesn't carry it. Anyone have an .mp3 they could loan me?

Check your PM

So far I only have the 8/18/85 Trenton City Gardens show, and it's great. The sound's not perfect, but the show is spectacular.

Cheers, might start with that one then!

THULL from colormeimpressed.com has recently shared a bunch of shows on dime. http://www.dimeadozen.org/

 

Must have an account, then just search replacements. There's currently like 20 shows being seeded there .

 

Worth a look for all Mats fans...hell, worth checking out for all you who should be Mats fans.

Any guide as to the better ones of those being seeded (performance and/or sound-wise)?

Special Edition DVD comes out Tuesday.

 

 

God Bless Billy Wilder!

I never realised how much Billy Wilder looked like the backwards-speaking dwarf from 'Twin Peaks' without his glasses on

Awesome filmmaker though - Comedies, thrillers, dramas, war films - the guy did it all better than anyone else.

Skylarking is my favorite XTC album, so there's that.

I was thinking about the stuff he's produced too -- 'Bat out of Hell' (a guilty pleasure), 'New York Dolls' and 'Skylarking' are all great listens.

His early cds are awesome. Check out 'Runt', 'Runt: The Ballad of Todd Rundgren', 'A Wizard, A True Star' and if you can find some of The Nazz (his band, pre-solo days), check that out too.

Not so much of a fan of his newer stuff though...

Really enjoying 'The Train', 'Peaches', 'Call the Law' and 'N2U'.

Only on first or second listen at the moment, but there's no songs that I've had to skip, which is always a very good thing.

I'm liking what I'm hearing.

Then again, I was more of a 'Love Below' fan than 'Speakerboxxx'. I can see those who prefer the latter could be disappointed in this, but I'm not.

As someone who generally hates hip-hop, I can honestly say that this will definitely be played again.

I can't actually say what it sounds like, not so much like the "Cab Calloway meets Outkast" that I was hoping for, but something else... just not sure what.

The solo piano version on disc 2 of the box set is the one to get - perfection.

If you'd placed a bet in the early 70s that Crosby would live to see 65, I think it would be paying out pretty big today

'California Sun'

That Joni Mitchell song about California I can't remember at the moment.

You mean 'California'?

I've got mine sorted by artist so the first thing I get is;

? and the Mysterians - 96 Tears

Last is;

The Zombies - She's Not There

All I want is a reissue w/ bonus tracks of 'Painted From Memory'. They got the Brodsky Quartet album out of the way, time to get to this.