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I don't know if it's been discussed here (and I'm too lazy to go back and look haha) but AXS-TV just aired a really nice 2 hour doc on the ABB called "After The Crash" - a great overview of their career up to the Beacon run in 2014. I highly recommend it.

 And as for his reasoning, Jeff stated that "I fired Bennett from Wilco because I knew if I didn't, I would probably die." 

That's one of the heaviest things I've ever read here. My mind is blown.

Originally I got suckered into it for the jams and the weirdness. But eventually the words started to assert themselves in my brain to the point that now I can come up with a Hunter/Barlow lyric to explain damn near any situation I might find myself in during any given day.

That's wild that Lammy posted a link to the 12/31/69 and then we find out the Dave's #30 will be the very next show.

For me, Roxy is the best pick. Stevie is the worst. 

On Father's Day a couple of years ago my daughter got me a very cool present - some thing she got from Amazon UK I believe -a CD box set of the FMs from some of the shows from the Fall '71 Tour (when they were doing a lot of live shows on the radio, promoting Skullfuck). Now, I was weaned on many of these shows, some of them were among the first tapes in my collection, so I have a particular affinity for them, as well as they're a REALLY exciting period to be documented - some really killer jamming here and there. 

Here's the list of the shows (about 20 CDs): 7/2/71 Fillmore West (the last show there for them), 10/19/71 (first with Keith), 10/30/71, 11/7/71 SF  (400 seater!), 12/5/71, 12/10/71 & 12/31/71. Like I said, I had all but 1 or 2 of these on cassette, and they appear to be exactly the same - right down to the DJ banter between stuff - except they are upgrades in quality over my multi-gen FMs from long ago.

Needless to say, I was pretty blown away by the present. I had to ask her, "OMFG how much did this cost you?" and she said it was only around 30 bucks. As cheap as that is, I probably wouldn't have sprung for them myself because it's definitely a bootleg operation, and I'm pretty adamant to the money reaching the band, but who was I to turn this down as a gift, right?

Anyway....I digress. Just wondering: did anyone else get this stuff?

Not sure when, but Wilco added a second show in Amsterdam at Paradiso - June 15.

My hope would be that #1 - On one of of the two shows at The Paradiso Wilco delivers a really spacy old school show (blow out some open minds!), and secondly it gets recorded and thrown in a road case - or better yet, streamed!   

It has been fun to watch - even the loses were close and entertaining.  

 

I think they, if they stay healthy, will win at least a playoff game (maybe more). 

Dude, was last Sunday a crazy fucking game or what? Disappointed the Bears lost, but it sure as hell was entertaining stuff. Bears lost, but the Vikes lost - I can't figure them out. They're not the Iggles but still I wonder if they're going to get their shit together.

Believe I also read that Rob Barraco was in "consideration" after Brent died. Maybe that was from an interview with Barraco himself. Could've been a good choice, but not surprised they didn't pick him due to age difference and lack of experience on the big stage.

 

Seems everyone is in agreement that Vince was not great. Who would've been better? Have to pick someone who can sing, as that seems to be the main criteria in picking Vince over the others who auditioned. 

 

Hornsby obviously. Steve Winwood would be a cream dream. Can Chuck Leavell sing? I dunno, can't think of any other great choices. 

I wanted Mike Finnegan! I saw him in Crosby's band in '89, and he was a phenomenal talent, especially on the B-3. And that dude could really sing! But...at the time he was 12-steppin', which obviously would have been tough in a band like The Dead.

I've never heard of Vince using heroin. Met and hung with him a few times post-Garcia. Nice guy. Liked to drink and mingle with the people! Either way, he never quite fit the mold of the band, imo.

A couple of Vince quotes from (IIRC) Greenfield's book:

"The band knew I was clean - I don't count herb as a drug"

"If it was up to me John Kahn would have been kicked out of the scene"

Vince was truly grateful that he got the chance to be in that band. When he asked about pay he was told $1000/day. He thought, "80 gigs per year - 80 grand, right?" And was told, "No, $1000 A DAY (350K)". He tried, he really did. He listened to tapes after shows, he made copious notes about the tunes. I honestly don't see a guy jeopardizing a job like that by using heroin when he'd basically been stone-cold broke. Now, he DID have serious mental issues, stemming from Jerry's death. He seemed to take it the hardest at the time. He DID OD on Weir's bus when he was in Ratdog. And we know of his tragic demise. But I find it a bit hard to believe that he was using heroin in the '90-'95 period.

I just remember that Jerry in 88 / 89 was like seeing a reborn individual / band. They seemed excited and confident with high self esteem.

 

Brent died and things changed.

 

Jerry started heroin again in 1989 before brent died so it is not fair to blame Vince for the initial demise. But, i remember seeing them in 92 / 93 and everyone I saw shows with just seemed to “know”. We all loved it but we all knew it was or was near then end…

 

It was like hearing that your friend / brother / father was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. We just knew...And on top of that knowledge were the feared looks on Bobby and Phil's faces...And on top of that was this madman who was screaming absurd harmonies who seemed deliriously happy and frantic and mimicked jerry's parts on his keyboard while Jerry looked weaker and weaker and more frail and craven. It was like visiting your friend / brother / father at the hospital when it could be "any day now" and there was someone who barely knew your friend but acted like he had been there forever and absurdly oblivious as to what was happening around him.

 

vince just always seemed like "that drunk guy."

 

After every show in 92 / 93 that I saw it was like I was trying to say goodbye and there was this lunatic getting in the way screaming, ironically, about a way to go home. After each of the shows in 93 I thought it was likely to be Jerry's last…

 

It was like Vince felt like he earned his way through the Tubes and everything and finally "made it" now that he was playing keys for the Grateful Dead and he was gonna enjoy every minute of it. What he didn't understand was that he joined a Grateful Dead that was diagnosed with a terminal illness. He never seemed sensitive enough. I'm probably displacing a lot of negative energy unfairly on welnick. Who knows…

 

That era really shaped me for many future events in my life. I truly loved this musician and I guess still do. Maybe I was and still am looking to blame. Who knows...I learned a lot about seeing a person's slow demise. I learned a lot about myself.

 

But after seeing the listless Other One soloing and the Standing on the Moon in Chicago 1993, I said goodbye…

 

Honestly, when I was heading to Kaplan MCAT prep with my future wife on august 9, 1995 i remember being surprised for several things...surprised that i wasn't surprised...surprised that it took until 1995...surprised at the response from everyone who hadn't ever experienced him...surprised that I had so completely moved on with my life in a 36 month span...surprised how much i hadn't...surprised that while I still listened to him on a day to day basis that I no longer was a touring head...surprised how intensely it hit me...surprised at how lonely i felt..surprised that a part of me died that day...surprised (years later upon reflection) that a part of me became an adult that day...just surprised...

This is one of the real real quality posts in these threads in my view. A LOT of it resonates with me. The timeline is slightly different - a bit longer (so what!) but I quit touring after the Fall '93 Richfield shows. I did only Deer Creek in '94 and '95 because it's literally 20 minutes from my front door, but those Richfield shows were a real revelation (read:bummer) for me. They were the first shows I saw after the massive Jam out of Terrapin from 6/23/93 - the last time magic really visited  the stage that I saw. 11 weeks later it was basically a low-energy sleepwalk for 3 days and I was like, "Not enough return on this investment". It wasn't just onstage, either. The scene deteriorated tour by tour after Touch hit. Nobody has to agree with me here - but I think we can all agree that things changed.

One thing I DO think is of paramount importance is the switch to in-ear monitors - I'm thinking around early '92, about the time Bruce left.Left to their own devices they only listened to what they wanted to hear, which brings a very un-cohesive sound I think. Vince was certainly in over his head but he wasn't not talented - the Phil & Friends show from 9/24/94 shows that he could be a very sympathetic, tasty player. Once Bruce left Vince got  more piano-based sounds and it worked off and on. 

Fun fact : my adoption of my daughter was finalized on 8/1/95, and then in October I quit a job of nearly 17 years and took a different path. Garcia's death is very much a line drawn across my life in many ways.

The Bobby Keys film is great. Some great interview stuff with Keith & Charlie. I waited out the TM waiting room. Took about 15 minutes. I ended up getting the exact tickets I wanted in Seattle. ADA seats in the front of the upper deck, Keith side, about even with the end of the catwalk (50 yard line). $100 each, not cheap but not out of line. Could be way worse. We've sat there for some spectacles (U2, Metallica, G 'n R) & the perspective is very good. & the sound there at Century Link is excellent. I'm quite happy with how it turned out. I've seen the Stones over 20 times from a club to arena to stadium. Have spent hundreds of dollars for tix in the past. Those days are gone but is ok. I can't stand for a show & would rather have a seat with no one in front of me. In fact almost have to nowadays. Excited.

Man I love this post.

I would have to say that the most pleasant surprise this year (for me) is Da Bears. I truly didn't see this coming. 

I still think they'll be lucky to go anywhere in post-season, but it's been very refreshing.

I've seen The Stones (my very first favorite group as a kiddo) 3 times - Fall '81 (Louisville) December '89 (Indy, my 27th birthday party!) and 7/4/15 at the Indy 500 Speedway. That July 4 show was a total exercise in hedonism - I've never seen a drunker crowd and EVERYONE was smoking pot like it was the last day they'd ever be alive haha. So I'm good if I never see them again. But I hope they play forever!

Thurston Moore at 60 feat. Nels Cline.

I have a Moore/Cline tape here live in a music store (I forget the date) that is crazy sick good. Let us know what your impressions were!

Hey NoJ - can we do live sides? I'll start.

-Side 1, Deep Purple - Made In Japan (Highway Star, Child In Time)

-Side 2 Genesis Live (1973) - (The Musical Box, The Knife)

- Side 6, Yessongs - (Yours Is No Disgrace, Starship Trooper)

-Side 2 Live Cream - (Sweet Wine, Rollin' & Tumblin')

-Side 1 Pink Floyd - Ummagumma (Astronomy Domine', Careful With That Axe Eugene)

-Side 3 Allman Brothers - At Fillmore East (Hot Lanta, In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed)

-Side 4 Renaissance Live At Carnegie Hall (Ashes Are Burning)

-Side 1 Lou Reed - Rock & Roll Animal (Sweet Jane, Heroin)

Side 2 Quicksilver Messenger Service - Happy Trails (Mona, Cavalry)

Side 1 Traffic - On The Road (Glad > Freedom Rider)

There's 10 right off the top of my head, I could go on.  . And I didn't even mention The Dead - that's a whole 'nother thing in itself. 

Yes - Close To The Edge, either side, but if I have to choose side 2 (And You & I, Siberian Khatru). 

Now playing on Sirius GD channel is MSG 9-20-90. One of my favorites, probably the best single second set I ever caught. Also a lot of GD type great things happened that night to make it one of the most memorable nights for me.

 

 

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I think it's arguable that that show is the best of the Post-Brent years. That first few days with Bruce is as inventive, exploratory music as they ever did after Brent passed. It's like they hit for the cycle and had 2 grand slams in that show. Sadly (in my view) it really peaked right then and there. Europe wasn't as good, NYE was a good one, Spring and Summer was good, but it really was "Downhill From Here" after September '90. Sigh.

I'll respectfully disagree.

 

As much as I do enjoy earlier versions, I love the changes the song went through, particularly in the 80s. I loved the subtle build up of the tune, the often over-the-top ad-libbing by Weir at the height of the tune, the crescendos, the "storm/rain" effects by Brent, Garcia's repeated and trilling notes, the echo effect often put to Weir's voice, etc. I had no problem with a monster 2nd set LLR.....

Respect.

Think about this - how well could LL Rain have worked in place of a post Space Jerry ballad slot? Maybe even out of Space? It might have been MUCH better placed in set 2 if it was late in the show. But, you know, Jerry HAS to take that ballad slot there. Oh well...

So far Looks Like Rain is a stand out on Disc 1of the latest Dave's Pick - 6.17.76. Garcia really shines on it.

Cassidy was great, too.

The LL Rains from the post-retirement / pre-Brent period is my favorite period for that song, easily. This was not a song for Bobby to get over the top histrionic on (esp. Mega Dead period). This song works best when it's subtle imo. And never should have been moved to set 2 (again, imo).

At what point will Dave's picks be scraping for resin hits, so to speak, for "great" shows? I guess with all the Betty Boards recently recovered, they'll have several years to get through before they start running dry.

I wonder if they have first-hand access to the "Amy Boards" and if any of those might make the cut.

The latest Dave's Pick was just announced - 6.17.76 - Capital Theater. Not sure if I ever hear it before. 

I've never heard it. I had 6/18 & 19 on  cassette.

I would have much preferred 6/14. I guess I'll never see that come to pass.

^ My God. Did we not ALL have a reading comprehension class at some point in school?

I'm just going to say a couple of quick things here, because I'm too enraged to speak with any sense of decorum at this point. First, Wisconsin cheese has been scientifically proven to cause irreversible brain damage; secondly, Go Cubs Go. 

Oh..and to reiterate for those of you scoring at home:

AM

BT

ST

YHF

AGIB

SBS

WTA

TWL

SW

WS 

THIS IS NOT UP FOR DEBATE.

Here's a super weird piece of trivia I just got from Charlie Miller: during the October 1980 Radio City run (8 shows, material from which Dead Set got pulled) there was not one version of Eyes played. EYES - IN 8 SHOWS. 

That's fucking weird.

Stranger, Franklin's is on Dead Set but from two different shows in '80. It fit really nicely on the album. I wonder if that was the impetus for trying the pairing live.

I guess I wasn't aware of that. It is a REAL nice edit. I had to go look it up - Stranger > Franklin's was done 3 times during the run that produced Dead Set, but they didn't use any of those.