noyes

big deal. i guess it could be bad when you think a song deserves a big bang but it hardly ever affects me.

Hey everyone, wanted to drop this in here. Glenn came by our station last week and I was fortunate enough to interview him. He guest DJ'd and played some of his favorite stuff...

 

http://www.eachnotesecure.com/my-chat-with...otche-of-wilco/

thanks for the post. very nice, laid back interview. great tunes.

i prefer later-period RH as well, but as far as The Bends goes, my favorite tracks are probably "Black Star" and "Street Spirit (Fade Out)."

i forgot where i read it but Thom once called "Black Star" his favorite Radiohead song, and for good reason.

Fake Plastic Trees is great as well. That's a given.

"I'm working on my abs"

..ew

Mozart's Fantasy No. 4 in C Minor (K. 475) is worth noting. quite an extraordinary piece.

it's usually compiled with his Piano Sonatas and will make you think twice about him as a composer.

i'm mostly drawn to keyboard works, so it would make sense for me to suggest Bach's Goldberg Variations.

they're what got me deep into classical. as well as Mozart's Piano Sonatas and Beethoven's.

Chopin's Preludes are wonderful. etc etc

I would say get Paris 1919 and then Fear.

what he said.

Fear is my favorite of his and the first I ever heard.

the semi-title track opener is amazing. as is "The Man Who Couldn't Afford to Orgy" etc.

practically every one of his 70's records are worth listening to though.

i love his cover of Jonathan Richman's Pablo Picasso.

so driving, so powerful, especially the ending.

all great stuff.

awesome video, btw.

i've yet to search "John Cale" on youtube.

Muxtape

this dude Justin created it.

self-explanatory.

pretty cool.

sign up and make yours now.

here's mine

http://www.thesaurus.muxtape.com

(mind you, today was the launch date. so any kind of additions you think can benefit the site will probably eventually be added)

btw, you're right. your argument holds up nicely.

so does yours chompsky (your latter half posts)

here's the difference:

Big Trouble in Little China is an awesome movie!

(not joking btw)

I just don't think anyone can define what talent is and have it apply for everyone. I think John Mayer is one of the most talented guitarists in the world, but I know a lot of people consider him to be a crappy guitarist.

then you and I can agree that they are delusional and their standards are TOO high.

if he is a crappy guitarist, than what is someone that can only strum C and G. and badly at that.

that's called unrealistic.

I honestly don't see how you can say "talent" isn't a completely subjective term.

oh i can understand that. talent is subjective. i know this. very well.

in the way that there are different levels of talent. i, for example, appreciate simplicity in music as i do dexterity.

but talent and no talent are never on the same level. and they shouldn't be.

I like a lot of music that is considered bad, and I could care less. I'd rather listen to what I like even if it's supposed to be bad than listen to "Good" music that I find boring. Thus, my dislike of The Velvet Underground.

if Blink 182 are considered a "bad" band, it's only based of a superficial outlook.

musically, they are a good band and wrote many great songs.

this is from someone, like you i presume, that listens to a wide variety of music.

and like you said, no point in listening to the Velvet Underground if you don't like it.

there's nothing wrong with that.

All are considered works of what are considered 'lowbrow/pop' artists (a moniker that denotes their relevency in comparison to works by classic artists and/or masters), but personally, i'd rather spend the day walking through a museum of full of collections from Robert Williams, Yoshitomo Nara and Gary Baseman than a Van Gogh exhibit anyday. i get more enjoyment, feel more inspired and find all of those works more creative...the emphasis on enjoyment. that's what i base the merit of something i read, listen to, watch, etc. upon.

you bring up a good and respectable point.

i think it's great that you prefer Yoshitomo Nara's art over Van Gogh's

and there's hardly anything wrong with that, because any artist will tell you that Nara's work is obviously the work of someone talented.

but this is where the word "standard" comes into play.

different people have different standards.

so if person A's standards are lower, in terms of what they expect out of art, than person B's,

that doesn't necessarily make person A wrong or person B right.

but, there are exceptions. quite a few of them actually. and this is the point i was making earlier.

for example,

you can't honestly sit there and tell me that a movie like "Epic Movie" is on the same level artistically speaking as, say, "Schindler's List" or "Taxi Driver"

just because someone may enjoy it and someone may be perfectly content with it doesn't mean it is equal to pieces of cinema that actually has real and powerful talent behind it.

"enjoyment" of both movies is subjective, yes, but pulling the "it's subjective" card in the case of artistic merit is futile and unrealistic.

this should be, and is (in most instances), common sense.

Is Jeff Tweedy subjectively or factually a better guitar player' date=' song writer, than a person picking up a guitar for the first time, writing their first song?[/quote']

 

Subjectively. Unless you can find a way to quantify it' date=' anytime you use the word "better" it is always going to be subjective.

 

And even when they've found ways to quantify things like who is better, as in baseball, there is still little to no agreement.[/quote']

 

wow.

that is ridiculous.

that's called giving WAY too much credit where it ISN'T due.

 

by that rationale you are equalizing talent with no talent.

that argument is weak and unrealistic beyond measure. you can't pretend that there is no such thing as "good" and "bad" in the world.

yes there is such an idea as subjectivity in Art/the world at large, varying different levels, but yours is a profoundly liberal one.

to say that a person who barely knows how to play the guitar equals someone like Jeff Tweedy (who himself even proclaims to not be that great of a guitar player) or Jimi Hendrix, or Django or Eric Clapton, or Victor Villareal, or Steve Vai or Van Halen etc etc, is an asinine and completely despicable notion.

 

seriously? c'mon.

and i'm sure you're a nice and really smart person too, but it's as if about 90% of everyone posting here is deliberately posting off the cuff.

this thread is a pitiful excuse for an intelligent debate.

and with that, i'd like to add:

RIP shit thread.

some of us have been doing this sort of deal on here for many years now.

.. that's not a good thing. haha.

and you weren't among the people whose comments were in the leftest of fields.

answeringbell's great indeed.

This thread is waiting to (or maybe already has) derailed.

it derailed on page one and snowballed.

(thanks to a couple of dozen posts with some of the most inane comments i've ever had the displeasure to read)

Seems like it hasn't been posted yet

that's because it didn't have to be and it shouldn't have been.

once again, someone move this sorry excuse for a thread/"debate" to "Somebody Else's Song""

Who do I think is in Tweedy's league? No one you'd like if you're ranting about Ryan Adams.

 

But from the past 10 years or so, Jeff Mangum of Neutral Milk Hotel, Elliott Smith (RIP), Lucinda Williams, Thom Yorke and Wayne Coyne come to mind as other songwriter's I respect on the same level as I do Tweedy. Adams doesn't even register for me.

 

I think it's kind of sad that we have to have a new Ryan Adams thread every month as I think he's nothing special...but hey, that's the right of the board; freedom of speech. It's also my right to say I think he's a boring, inconsistent artist, who buys into his own hype.

 

To quote my father (who stole this from someone else) Ryan Adams is a parrot; he does a whole lot of talking and not a lot of flying.

you do quite a noteworthy job at underestimating Ryan Adams.

and this is coming from someone who appreciates, admires and respects most of those other artists you mentioned above.

i don't know what aspect of this guy you're focusing all your opinions on, but you greatly underestimate him.

and it's cool. not everyone has to love the guy or even respect him.

but indifference just might suit you better.

much better actually.

btw, lose the whole "not anyone YOU'D like" and "you think that because you're a TEENAGER" attitude you seem to have.

that shit is disgusting. and i'm sure you're a nicer person who doesn't wanna looked upon as an asshole.

well' date=' i know it may be blasphemy, but i'd take Funeral over any Wilco record (although YHF & Being There are certainly close), so i don't really care what music fans think of Arcade Fire in 13 years, it's already made a huge impact on me and that's all that matters.[/quote']

 

BLASPHEMY.

 

to quote Jeff:

 

"You're wrong. Out!" haha.

Ryan Adams is one of those "potential" artists.

 

He could've been a great.

 

Heartbreaker was a great album; even Gold was pretty cool.

 

But overall, I think he's a has been that only his hardcore contingent still cares about; outside of alt-country circles, he's a trivia question at this point.

 

Ryan Adams never was and never will be in Tweedy's league. fin.

i'm assuming you haven't heard Jacksonville City Nights and/or Cold Roses.

those two are the best batch of songs he's ever written. he has potential, yes, and with those two albums, he has tapped into it.

again, someone move this goddamn thread. haha.

someone move this thread.

don't delete it, just move it.

wow. i knew something must have gone pathetically wrong when a silly video post caused 50+ comments.

i love how the video immediately turned this into an "i don't like ryan" and "ryan is making fun of wilco" thread

which he wasn't. at all. it really is just a silly improvised song. not a dig on wilco or anyone.

and i personally don't think he's "overrated", listen to Cold Roses and Jacksonville City Nights and you'll hear a disciplined and great songwriter.

this is just him fooling around, big deal.

it's really stupid when threads get dumb like this one did for a second there. everyone here is smart enough and musically inclined enough to know better.

at least i hope you all are.

question is: what is this thread even doing in 'Just A Fan'?

it has nothing to do with Wilco's music.

pleasant first listen.

Mr Richards stands out in beauty.

btw, there'll be a DVD with the new record as well. not sure if anyone's mentioned that yet.

with Sky Blue Sky in mind, i think we can all relate to how awesome that is. that dvd makes it worthwhile to me.

A deluxe edition of the album will be released in addition to the standard edition.

The deluxe edition will include the CD along with a DVD' date='

featuring the Vincent Moon film 6 Days (which includes behind-the-scenes footage and performance pieces of various songs on the album),

plus two MP3 bonus tracks "Redhead Walking" and "Airliner," and a 64-page booklet.[/quote']

wow. someone was blasting "the late greats" in their car while i was walking on Houston Street just an hour ago.

completely unexpected, and what made it so great is that everyone on the block had no choice but to listen in.

i couldn't help but sing along and smile haha.