What Light?

and to say it would have been a shame if Elliott cleaned himself up is just idiotic, as much as i like his records i wouldnt wish death apon someone just for my listening pleasure.

I NEVER wished death upon anyone nor would I ever............I do believe 100% that Elliott would not have been the same artist with as brilliant of records everytime had he been a happy cheerful non drug using artist...........everyone is different on what they "need" to get through...........I agreed Elliott and others were artists regardless...........but my point is their drug use or experimentation(however you want to view it) made those records more than they would have been otherwise.........

what's with the damn ellipses? Do you have that many unfinished thoughts?Drugs are not the cause of a tortured soul or great music. They're just an unhealthy escapist vehicle those types turn to when the music isn't enough. You're totalling borking the causal relationship with an unsupported correlation.

You are a fucking idiot.I hope you start taking heroin and coke every day so that you produce higher quality posts.

And let's face it, Sgt. Pepper's wouldn't be nearly as great without the work of George Martin, who helped them shape the songs into sonic masterpieces.

drugs alter mind sets no matter what it is................Paul McCartney was actually the brainchild behind that album.........seeing it was mostly his idea and all.......Martin was brilliant.........but the lyrical representations were the drugged up Beatles.......

Smith is one of the few tragic artists I managed to get into before they actually met their tragic end. I find it very sad that you believe his talent was only made possible through his drug use. I was heartbroken when he died and the reason why is that I've always felt many of his songs were really rather hopeful in a beautiful way. I used to work as a janitor at a movie theater where I would begin work around midnight and sometimes remain there until sunrise, alone in the auditoriums with Either/Or echoing in from my portable cd player plugged in down the hall. It is a pleasant thought to think that in death, Smith found some release from the demons that tortured him but I'd rather have him here today making music and giving interviews in which he describes how well he is feeling and how beautiful the world is through sober eyes. It's a shame that his music will often be overshadowed by stories of shows he did where his arm was numb and he couldn't finish songs etc...

he was an artist regardless no doubt...........but you and I will be different on the fact of how good his music and career would have been sober.........that is the way I see it and always will..............I too was very heartbroken by his death..........and was a fan of his long before he died..........I do not hold anything against him for being the way he was..............but like Janis Joplin...........Jim Morrison............Jimi Hendrix.............Kurt Cobain..........they were not meant to be around making new music for many many years.........there time here with us as fans was to be short and brilliant.............in the end their music lives on forever..........but as tortured souls(drugs/alcohol/dpression etc.) is how they found their inspiration to be great as artists imo.........

To say someone is made brilliant due to drug or drink is quite erroneous, as often it has the opposite effect on creative powers. It's hard to be creative when you're out of your skull, or nodding off due to your last heroin fix. No, I'd venture to say that Elliott Smith was a good songwriter despite the drugs, not because of them. As for the depression, well that would definitely color the lyrics and would explain a leaning toward minor keys, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have been a good songwriter without said condition.

that is the way I see it...........to me from all I have read and enjoying his music over the years..............he had to be in that state of mind to work...........which imo would not be the same had he not been on stuff over all those albums.............do you think the beatles would have come up with sgt pepper's lonely hearts club band and magical mystery tour for instance if they drank V8 Juice all the time and did not do anything(drugs) unhealthy...........see I do not buy your drug arguement not for a second...........too many masterpieces can be stated here to prove otherwise...........while under the influence of something that is..........

You serious? I don't read sarcasm well in text form. You aren't serious, right?

 

Edit: Spelling...d'oh.

his music would not have been near the brilliance had he been sober and not on drugs and depressed............that is the truth..........I highly doubt he ever would have reached the success he did had he been sober...........however for his health and for those around him..............sure they wanted him to be sober.............but truely a sober elliott smith is one no one is talking about today.........

I'm pretty sure that record became From A Basement On The Hill, which they were apparently about 30 songs recorded for. What I've heard is that Brion stopped working with Elliott on the album, because he was uncomfortable with Smith's drug abuse and wanted him to get cleaned up.

 

--Mike

read a few books on Elliott Smith..............an absolute genius..............but to think of him cleaning up would have been a shame..............unfortunately for him his music then would have suffered greatly.............so have a guy get cleaned up and put out a crappy record...........or be patient with his use of drugs and watch him produce another masterpiece...........duh!

Huh?

 

Sometimes I can't understand you because of the ellipses, but most of the time it's because you don't make anysense.

yeah and you are a major d-bag...............but who is keeping score?...............

When you can't find the light,

That got you through the cloudy days,

When the stars ain't shinin' bright,

You feel like you've lost you're way,

When those candle lights of home,

Burn so very far away,

Well you got to let your soul shine,

Just like my daddy used to say.

He used to say soulshine,

It's better than sunshine,

It's better than moonshine,

Damn sure better than rain.

Hey now people don't mind,

We all get this way sometime,

Got to let your soul shine, shine till the break of day.

I grew up thinkin' that i had it made,

Gonna make it on my own.

Life can take the strongest man,

Make him feel so alone.

Now and then i feel a cold wind,

Blowin' through my achin' bones,

I think back to what my daddy said,

He said "boy, in the darkness before the dawn:"

Let your soul shine,

It's better than sunshine,

It's better than moonshine,

Damn sure better than rain.

Yeah now people don't mind,

We all get this way sometimes,

Gotta let your soul shine, shine till the break of day.

Sometimes a man can feel this emptiness,

Like a woman has robbed him of his very soul.

A woman too, god knows, she can feel like this.

And when your world seems cold, you got to let your spirit take control.

Let your soul shine,

It's better than sunshine,

It's better than moonshine,

Damn sure better than rain.

Lord now people don't mind,

We all get this way sometimes,

Gotta let your soul shine, shine till the break of day.

Oh, it's better than sunshine,

It's better than moonshine,

Damn sure better than rain.

Yeah now people don't mind,

We all get this way sometimes,

Gotta let your soul shine, shine till the break of day.

sad he is covering a peer of only 2 LPs and an EP...............but truth is he probably is jealous that nothing on their new cd coming out soon is as good as keep the car running.............donde esta kris novaselic?

Bad:Oingo Boingo

Good:Public Enemy

to me, CC gave up on a great sound, and direction they were heading in from their first record.

All the sudden, Adam decided to become a pop group. He seems to say that in the Billboard article.

Maybe this new record will be one that sounds like they took it seriously.

2nd album was just like the first in sound imo...........but after that I see your point.............I think as artists they realized over the past few years of free concerts they were backed in a corner professionally and now it is put up or shut up for them................before I think they always thought they would make it.............now they realize they could join Hootie and the Blowfish in the Land of the Lost with another pop mishap like Hard Candy..........

i love this album, defintaly seek it out

Kool G Rap and DJ Polo were the shit!.......his lisp was hard!

I think yer all gay, and that's fine with me.

wave yer flag, be proud.

.............never knew you could not still show loyalty to bands that the fickle media gave up on for the "new flavor of the week"...............

Do any of you cats have this?

 

but of course..........."....chicken tastes like wood...."

i wouldn't bother. outside of the aforementioned tune, the rest of the disc was pretty stinky.

to me Holiday in Spain is their best song ever..............absolutely brilliant.............it is off of that album..........

Hard Candy was pure crap.

Hard Candy is tough to listen to......It was at that time a lot of bands from that era were starting to find out that they were being pushed out by others styles of music such as emo etc and their music reflected that...............I thought This Desert Life was a very good album..........I think in his sobering experiences and his desire to get the band back on track in today's music world...........his lyrics will be there on the new one..........I think for them it will be a great day and comeback..

Um ... you said Gin Blossoms, right? The article you linked to is about Counting Crows.

same era...........same type of sound and often toured together etc..............that is what he meant.........

Even if you consider '88 to be the beginning of the first big surge, hip hop is still pretty young. I think it has a long way to go at this point.

 

Hip Hop would not be the same without ATCQ, Jungle Brothers, De La Soul, KRS-One, etc. - but the same can be said for Mos Def, Talib, Common, The Roots ... the list goes on. There are plenty of creative MC's.

ageed those are very good indeed and very important.............around the 88-92 era with a little before and after................Common is real cool...........I like him.........

I love Boxer and Alligator..........they are very different..............Alligator is more scattered and loud.............Boxer is more patterened and mellow...............The National is really coming on which is good they are a real good band...........

I gotta go with 88-92................with albums such as It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold us Back by Public Enemy..............Paul's Boutique by The Beastie Boys...............Strictly Business by EPMD.................although before that...............85-87 was very important to me as well with albums such as UTFO by UTFO...............Back in Black by Whodini.............and Bigger and Deffer by LL Cool J came out as well...........these two eras were where I grew to really love rap..........after that it has kind of been downhill for me with the occasional good album imo.............

clickish works for me.............not an english teacher..........but a teacher no doubt..........

I know, I know. I can't help it.

to each is own................I prefer to think of this good band from the 90's like this..............

but this "..............." thing has to stop. If you insist on writing like that, stick to "..."