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Fair point, I was discussing Wilco and not Jeff. I'd love another Loose Fur or a Tweedy solo album over a new Wilco one at the moment. IMO there's too many members in Wilco and the result can sometimes be very bland. Too many cooks etc... I've said this here before but I much prefer pre-Cline Wilco.

 

There were so many good songs leftover from the YHF demos, they don't seem to be that prolific anymore. SBS and WTA would have been much better EPs IMO.

 

There's nothing I'd like more than a return to form and I'm not looking for another YHF/AGIB/ST/BT but I'm not holding my breath. I'll still be buying their records but I don't expect to be blown away anymore. And that's the difference, I used to be really moved by their albums and now I just feel frustrated.

 

And I draw the line at christianity or any religion for that matter

So despite the numerous mentions of album names and the word 'album' you were actually talking about live shows here?

Lol.

No, it didn't. If it proved anything, it's that broc changed his mind - or didn't state his idea right the first time - which is perfectly acceptable to do.

 

That's a cheap shot, and likely hyperbole. Heck, I wouldn't have even posted that.

Page 8, first post. He was clearly talking about the songwriting at that point and not their live shows.

I dunno why you're trying to defend him anyway, seen his type one time too many on the interwebs, bold statements without the knowledge to back it up.

Kick Sansone where? Out of the band? Actually Pat has gotten significantly better at what he does since joining the band. Meanwhile Nels is a touring guitarist. Nothing wrong with that.

He gets to do what he wants, and as you point out sell lots more records to all of us who weren't aquainted with his music before he jointed the band, and make some decent money. Not only that he does add something to mix, but his style of music isn't what Wilco does, so he does kind of have to fit in. Ultimately this is Jeff's band. He apparently likes the way it is. So I guess everyone gets to take it or leave it at this point.

 

LoiueB

Yes, this is obviously Jeff's band but Wilco was at its peak when someone else (Benett, O'Rourke) was pushing the enveloppe as well. I feel like someone should creatively challenge him a bit more, and when I look at who's currently in the band that someone could be Cline. I get this nagging feeling Tweedy surrounded himself too much with yes-men at this point.

This.

Lol, nice try but this was not your original point. Your original point was some silly nonsense about Cline being responsible for the creative decline in Wilco, which made no sense whatsoever and just proved you don't know a lot about the members in this band and the music they make.

And this is in no way relevant in this discussion anyway since this thread is about their next album and not their live shows.

This is the line-up Jeff likes, including Nels. This is the line-up Jeff is going to stick with unless someone quits or Jeff disbands the whole thing. They are capable of anything Jeff wants to do. They are going to make plenty of great music and plenty of great records. Maybe (or maybe not) the future material will not be as striking as the material from the past, but I think it will be special none the less.

 

(and as always, it can't come soon enough...)

 

LouieB

Yeah, but I wouldn't mind Cline being more involved in the creative process, right now he's nothing more than an expensive touring guitarist. But maybe he's just happy to be the guy carrying Tweedy's suitcases, it's a steady job after all and his solo records are finally getting some attention in Wilco's slipstream as well.

Tweedy should kick Sansone though.

Fair point, I was discussing Wilco and not Jeff. I'd love another Loose Fur or a Tweedy solo album over a new Wilco one at the moment. IMO there's too many members in Wilco and the result can sometimes be very bland. Too many cooks etc... I've said this here before but I much prefer pre-Cline Wilco.

Why are people blaming Cline? From what I can hear that guy was barely even present on W(TA)(they actually recorded the majority in New Zealand without him) and the one song that sounded like it did feature Cline heavily (BBN) was actually by far the best song on that album. People should give one of his solo records a spin sometime, he's capable of a lot more than just the impossible germany guitar solo.

Probably easier to blame to new guy than to accept W(TA) was just Jeff Tweedy in his "I don't have a lot to say atm but here's another collection of Wilco songs"-modus eh.

YHF is the primus inter pares.

A.M.: I must be High/It's Just That Simple

BT: Sunken Treasure/Why Would You Wanna Live

ST: ELT/We're Just Friends

YHF: Poor Places/I'm The Man Who Loves You

AGiB: Muzzle of Bees/Hummingbird

SBS: On & On & On/What Light

W(TA): Bull Black Nova/I'll Fight

Fighting In a Sack and Turn a Square are pretty meh.

Lol, Turn a Square is like the most underrated song in their catalogue.

wildly?

 

uhm. not really. not amongst big Shins fans at least, it's pretty even. that said, the 3rd Shins record is definitely VASTLY inferior to both.

 

Inverted > Chutes, sorry, i'm with Dr. No on this one. Chutes is great, but there's 2-3 songs on Inverted that i like way more than anything on Chutes... ie: Caring Is Creepy, Pressed In A Book, etc.

Chutes got the better reviews and is more popular amongst casual fans, I don't really care what die-hards are thinking.

And thanks for confirming my suspicions, people who prefer inverted usually do that because of 2-3 songs while completely ignoring the many weaker ones. Chutes is the only Shins record that works front to back whitout a single weaker song, it's one of the most consistent albums of this decade (especially the second half is really good) and fully deserves the higher ranking on that list.

Whincing on the other hand was indeed a big let down.

I've had problems with this list since they started rolling it out on Monday.

 

First of all, how do you put Chutes Too Narrow 69 spots ahead of Oh, Inverted World? That's just crazy talk.

Chutes is wildly considered the better record, and rightly so. 2 or 3 brilliant songs don't make the album as a whole.

I'm surprised YHF is ranking this high. They seem to have regained somewhat of their status at Pitchfork after falling from grace during the agib-sbs era.

Great: Bull Black Nova (my favourite), Deeper Down, One Wing, Country Dissapeared

Good: Solitaire, Sonny Feeling, Everlasting Everything

Meh: Wilco (The Song), You & I, You Never Know, Dark Neon

Annoyingly bland: I'll Fight

So that makes it a solid effort: better than A.M., at about the same level as Summerteeth and maybe Sky Blue Sky, though not as good as the remaining 3 releases.

So, what's remember the mountain bed doing on the 3d spot? Solid song for sure but nowhere near Tweedy's all time top 20 actually.

On the other hand, the list's number 1 is the same as mine, my second favorite ranks at 5 (what's up with the criticism for muzzle of bees in this thread anyway?). So no reason to complain I guess.

Great, I never even heart the 'best song of the decade'...I honestly doubt the "cultural impact" of B.O.B. is that big, Hey Ya would've been a more understandable choice.

And of course 'All My Friends' isn't bad, but it ain't really the second best song of this decade either. I'm pleasantly surprised they recognized the genius of One More Time though.

But the world is the world:

 

Chart performance from Wikipedia

Only 22 in my country, finally we have something to be proud of.

But compared to Umbrella: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umbrella_(song) it's really only a minor "hit". As joss ackland rightfully pointed out, ms Clarkson would never feature on a European list (it'll probably have other crap by Duffy and Amy Mcdonald instead but hey). Anyway, if you're going to include that kind of chart-sensitive pop songs in your list it might be something to consider.

i'm expecting a lot more Radiohead. and maybe I am Trying To Break Your Heart.

Hmm dunno, I'm expecting a lot of Radiohead in their album list, but post-OK Computer they stopped having mass appealing singles like Paranoid Android, Karma Police or Street Spirit. Guess it'll be between Kid A & Funeral(altough Rebellion (lies) is actually remarkably low) for the top spot there.

Actually, Since U been gone was both catchy and received lots of airplay worldwide.

America isn't the world.

fucking Kelly Clarkson would be in my top 20, mainly because I haven't slept with 20 women.

She ain't that cute, though.

But seriously, if you have to include shallow pop-songs I can understand why Umbrella is on there. That was actually a catchy song which received lots of airplay around the globe. The Clarkson-thingy did none of those things.

I picked up Nocturama, because I really dug the track "Bring it On", especially after seeing it on Letterman.

Nocturama is widely considered as his worst delivery.

Imo, No More Shall we Part and Let Love In are his best. Abbatoir Blues/Lyre on the other hand isn't quite as good as some people want you to believe.

So, people are actually whining over the high indie-level of this list while fucking Kelly Clarkson is sitting there on the 21st place?

Nah, a few were indeed using CERA but they all got caught since it's not that hard to detect it. I'm pretty sure last year's tour winner Sastre was cycling relatively clean, if only because he's just not that good.

YHF >> BT > SBS = AGiB >> ST > W(TA) >>> AM

I never said that. But around the year 2000 about every professional cyclist was using epo, I really doubt you could win the biggest race on earth whitout it at that time.

Funny, he's never tested positive for any of those things. (And they are apparently pretty easy to catch).

They are nowadays but not at the time he won those 7 tours.

Their album picks are even more hilarious though, kudos on choosing the 4 worst songs on that.

She's a jar... with a heavy lid... lalala