Basil II Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 I had a similar situation.... We parked one of the cars in front of our house.We live on a very low traffic street, but some dumbshits drove their car right into it anyway. I looked out immediately, and the person who got out of the driver's door was a young Mexican woman.An older Mexican woman got out of the passenger side and walked around. They started the car but I ran out and stepped in front of the car and told them (politely) not to move the car and to shut it off right now. They tried to tell the cops that the older woman was driving. They had a weird little beat up tow truck with logos and lettering in Spanish pick up the car. Not only were the driver and passenger not arrested (or even ticketed that I could see), the cops drove them home...We had to file the claim under the uninsured motorist portion of out insurance, and they went after them. I don't think they got anything... The apartments are like revolving doors, and there is not exactly a forwarding address. Regardless of whether these people are legally or not, the fact that they bear such little responsibility for their actions pisses me off....Get them IDs, and make them pay for what they do. F*CK!!!! -Robert. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Basil II Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 I think it's more of a profit maximization tool, combined with the cultural shift away from manual labor as part of our economic shift to a service-based economy. bling ffin' BINGO!!!! -Robert. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 I had a similar situation.... We parked one of the cars in front of our house.We live on a very low traffic street, but some dumbshits drove their car right into it anyway. I looked out immediately, and the person who got out of the driver's door was a young Mexican woman.An older Mexican woman got out of the passenger side and walked around. They started the car but I ran out and stepped in front of the car and told them (politely) not to move the car and to shut it off right now. They tried to tell the cops that the older woman was driving. They had a weird little beat up tow truck with logos and lettering in Spanish pick up the car. Not only were the driver and passenger not arrested (or even ticketed that I could see), the cops drove them home...We had to file the claim under the uninsured motorist portion of out insurance, and they went after them. I don't think they got anything... The apartments are like revolving doors, and there is not exactly a forwarding address. Regardless of whether these people are legally or not, the fact that they bear such little responsibility for their actions pisses me off....Get them IDs, and make them pay for what they do. Your tone suggests irresponsibility is endemic to the immigrant population - why even mention that they were Mexican? Are Mexicans more likely to flee when involved in a minor traffic accident? Do you have any evidence to back this up? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 think twice before you consider sending them home, consigning them to death. just a tad melodramatic and i'm responsible for illegal immigrants coming into the US. awesome. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tweedling Posted August 28, 2007 Author Share Posted August 28, 2007 I would imagine not a single one of us is indigenous to this country Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Speed Racer Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 I do not respect or give "credit" to anyone who comes to this country illegally while many others are willing to go through the process correctly. They live under a cloak of lies, from the day they enter illegally. These people are taking advantage of the system. Take for example the van load of illegal immigrants that turned over outside of my town. Everyone in the van had some serious injury. There were many broken bones, broken necks and internal injuries. Did they receive care? YES. The same care anyone with insurance would have received. Who paid for that care? Do you think they will now follow the law and pay their debt? It is estimated that the cost of care for that one van was around $800,000. (That’s conservative) This is one small town in Texas and it happens faily often. What does that do for a local and state economy? What does that do for the price of healthcare in general? It takes a lot of apples and tomatoes to pay that back. When I listen to some on this board I hear we are a horrible and unethical country. But when poor people are trying to come illegally then we are a great country. Sorry for the rant, I’ll get off my soap box now. ANYONE in this country gets hit by a car, let's say: An ambulance comes. The victim is taken to the hospital. Paramedics check for the victim's residency status and run a credit report. The victim is treated. The victim is released. The victim is billed. Which one doesn't belong? Aliens aren't the only ones who skip on medical bills, and they are not the only ones who are uninsured. What does that do for the local and state economy? That type of care (treating without checking residency status/ability to pay) is surprisingly standard throughout the world. If you were vacationing in Mexico and fell ill you would be treated before the hospital knew you would pay (and if the thought of a Mexican hospital makes you woogie at all, you may well have answered your question about why they want to come here even if some of us on the board think GWB is a twat - disliking politics is not equal to believing we have substandard medical care). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
imdwalrus Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 + - = Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 does that dude have 'SPARTA' written on the bill of his cowboy hat? if so, let him in...no questions, paperwork or anything else. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tweedling Posted August 28, 2007 Author Share Posted August 28, 2007 ANYONE in this country gets hit by a car, let's say: An ambulance comes. The victim is taken to the hospital. Paramedics check for the victim's residency status and run a credit report. The victim is treated. The victim is released. The victim is billed. Which one doesn't belong? Aliens aren't the only ones who skip on medical bills, and they are not the only ones who are uninsured. What does that do for the local and state economy? That type of care (treating without checking residency status/ability to pay) is surprisingly standard throughout the world. If you were vacationing in Mexico and fell ill you would be treated before the hospital knew you would pay (and if the thought of a Mexican hospital makes you woogie at all, you may well have answered your question about why they want to come here even if some of us on the board think GWB is a twat - disliking politics is not equal to believing we have substandard medical care).Wow, the paramedics run your credit? Not sure I believe that. Do ANY aliens pay their medical bills?I never questioned why they want to come to this country......I know exactly why. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
squarewave Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Your tone suggests irresponsibility is endemic to the immigrant population - why even mention that they were Mexican? Are Mexicans more likely to flee when involved in a minor traffic accident? Do you have any evidence to back this up? Why mention that they were illegal Mexicans?? Because they were from Mexico... which is what Mexican means... This is also the topic of the thread. As far as quoting proof of certain driving habits of ethnicities or whatever... This isn't a fucking journalistic expose, it's a story of what happened to me that happens to be very similar to what happened to the OP. Would the story differ in some fundamental way if the word Quote Link to post Share on other sites
imdwalrus Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 does that dude have 'SPARTA' written on the bill of his cowboy hat? if so, let him in...no questions, paperwork or anything else. No, it says 'Sara' - the other side says 'Smile'. He's a huge Hall & Oates fan. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Speed Racer Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Wow, the paramedics run your credit? Not sure I believe that. Probably why I followed that up with the sentence, 'Which one doesn't belong?' Do ANY aliens pay their medical bills? Not to nitpick, sir, but all non-citizen foreigners are termed 'aliens,' whether they are 'in-status' or not. Exchange students, doctors, engineers, and any number of the several hundred thousand non-immigrant visas - not to mention several hundred thousand immigrant visas - issued in the United States each year go to folks who do (though like us, some probably don't) pay their medical bills. I never questioned why they want to come to this country......I know exactly why. They hope and dream to have neighbors like you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 That, and they can make a lot more money here than they can down here, so much so that it's likely a significant slice of the Mexican GDP. Thus the problem. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chendizzle Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 I know if I was poor and I could travel 50 miles away and enjoy much greater quality of life, ensure my kids can get better education and actually give my family a future (while actually contributing more to the economy than draining from it), I'd certainly do it, anyone would. I forget who it was, but I was reading someone who compared the immigration debate to a bunch of kids arguing over who could go in their sandbox. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 I know how to kill this thread. This is going to hurt me about as much as it hurts you, Thread. Talking PointsThe Terrible, Horrible, Urgent National Disaster That Immigration Isn'tBy LAWRENCE DOWNES Part 1: What's Wrong With 'Getting Tough on Immigration' I. Immigration, Oversimplified The arguments made by hard-line critics of immigration reform are depressingly simple, which makes them simply depressing. They boil down to this: the immigration problems we have today, and a vast array of other problems, begin and end with immigrants themselves, the people who have committed the offense of being here illegally Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stooka Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Cher??? Hitler??? green fuckin' beans??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 just a tad melodramatic and i'm responsible for illegal immigrants coming into the US. awesome. Not all immigrants are from a relatively peaceful country such as Mexico Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ikol Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Not all immigrants are from a relatively peaceful country such as Mexico Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tweedling Posted August 28, 2007 Author Share Posted August 28, 2007 I know how to kill this thread. This is going to hurt me about as much as it hurts you, Thread.I think it's been dead for a while now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 I don't think there are many Mexicans fleeing Somalia. Though quite simple - I don't think you get my point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Though quite simple - I don't think you get my point.I don't think you get his. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 I don't think you get his.I don't think I get mine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 I don't think there are many Mexicans fleeing Somalia. Not all immigrants are Mexican. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
caliber66 Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Not all immigrants are Mexican.That is true, but this thread is about a Mexican immigrant who got into a car accident with Tweedling's wife. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
squarewave Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Not all immigrants are Mexican.Why are you being argumentative?? The people in the OP were from Mexico, and the people in my story (since you decided to drag me in) were from Mexico. Since you seem like a bright kid, here is a lesson in debate... If you are picking an oppressed group, try to find one from the same hemisphere as the people mentioned in the OT. Haiti and Cuba come to mind here... Too late, I called them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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