Somnambulist Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/musi...usic_frerejones Just read the above article in the New Yorker. YHF is mentioned as an example of a "popular, indie" record that basically has no soul. The author compares is to Being There which, apparently, has soul. Rock criticism is a tough line to walk because music is so subjective. What floats one persons boat, sinks someone else's. To me, it seems the author has one view of music and what doesn't fit into it, should be discounted. As with music, everyone's entitled to their opinion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jakobnicholas Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 Pardon my french, but what a shitty article that is. What the hell does the writer even mean?! Black artists have had a HUGE impact on rock n' roll. But if a band doesn't have a rhythm or soul like James Brown, then their music sucks? How about this quote, "Several groups that experienced commercial success, such as the Flaming Lips and Wilco, drew on the whiter genres of the sixties Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 This ridiculous piece has been discussed in at least two other threads downstairs in SES. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 The guy's point is well taken, but the article itself is so badly written and the gratuitious shot at Wilco for no good reason also was pretty shitty. LouieB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Magus673 Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 this article is ridiculous. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Somnambulist Posted November 2, 2007 Author Share Posted November 2, 2007 This ridiculous piece has been discussed in at least two other threads downstairs in SES. My apologies. Look before I leap. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
a_quiet_domino Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 If you look on any discussion board right now, this article is being lambasted. Mainstream news (like Slate) have also taken SFJ to task for this. Anytime I read anything by this author in the New Yorker, I get the impression that no one at the New Yorker knows anything about contemporary music, but they desperately want to seem like they are hip. Tragic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mpolak21 Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 I've always felt YHF had plenty of soul particularly Jesus, etc. and I'm The Man Who Loves You. This article has an interesting premise but overall it's pretty poorly executed. --Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Oil Can Boyd Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 Metafilter had a long thread about it. Two of my favorite commments: "he's the fucking pop music critic of the New Yorker, a post we ought to pay attention to as much as the opera critic at Maxim." "As an exploration of Tuvan throat singing, the complete Rolling Stones catalog is an utter failure." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
craigwinn Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 much better is the article from 2001 in the New Yorker that called YHF a masterpiece of the decade and Jeff Tweedy a genius of music for all time. The critic who wrote this latest piece, Sasha Frere Jones, meanwhile, recently wrote an unbelievable puff piece on Mariah Carey which basically argued that she's better than the Beatles, Stevie Wonder and Aretha Franklin put together. He was creaming in his jeans...unless Sasha Frere Jones is a woman, in which case she was creaming in her jeans. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
redstripe Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 i thought the comments re YHF were pretty on point. but making a point about wilco using only YHF reflected badly on the writer. the sample size was much too small. the early sbs reviews kept comparing it to the stax sound, which is obviously heavily influenced by black musicians. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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