Littlebear Posted April 14, 2008 Author Share Posted April 14, 2008 Morrison may have become an archetype type of rock singer, but so many who emulated him did it better than he did. No, no, I disagree completely. Morrison's performances were fitting with everything about his music and his band. Suffice to see how he was moving on stage, in pure anarchy, like a lost dog. It meant something, really. Who's doing the same kind of thing today more pathetically? Pete Doherty. Or Ryan Adams a few years ago. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MrRain422 Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 After all, he was smiling when we found him dead in his bath. This is exactly what I'm talking about. I'm not saying that he wasn't genuinely troubled or that that wasn't expressed in his music. I'm just saying that the whole notion that it is "nonsense" to imagine what he might have done if he hadn't died, and that he somehow had to die or something is absurd. He was not meant to die or preparing to die anymore than anyone else with a substance abuse problem is meant to die. He was a dude who happened to be the singer in a rock and roll band. He wasn't living out some sort of pre-ordained messianic rock and roll mission. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 But I don't see any romanticism about this... The guy was desperate, and his view of rock'n'roll was certainly not a peaceful one. I always felt despair, tragedy, anger, and crisis in Morrison's attitude. Oh, and joy and infinity, too. After all, he was smiling when we found him dead in his bath. Well - I sometimes think one needs to know the work of: Aldous Huxley,William Blake, Charles Baudelaire, Arthur Rimbaud, Jack Kerouac, Friedrich Nietzsche, Antonin Artaud, Louis-Ferdinand C Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Littlebear Posted April 14, 2008 Author Share Posted April 14, 2008 I'm not saying that he wasn't genuinely troubled or that that wasn't expressed in his music. I'm just saying that the whole notion that it is "nonsense" to imagine what he might have done if he hadn't died, and that he somehow had to die or something is absurd. He was not meant to die or preparing to die anymore than anyone else with a substance abuse problem is meant to die. He was a dude who happened to be the singer in a rock and roll band. He wasn't living out some sort of pre-ordained messianic rock and roll mission. Well, we obviously disagree. Jim Morrison was self-destructive, to me it was obvious he couldn't live long. He died with the illusions of his time. He was an extremist. Honestly, we feel it in every album of the Doors. He never ceased to talk about death, about end, about something to reach ultimately, to "the other side". Everyone is free to think what he wants to think about that, but he definitely prepared himself to die, in my opinion. A few others could have died, too. Lou Reed, Nick Cave. They weren't really far from it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Littlebear Posted April 14, 2008 Author Share Posted April 14, 2008 Well - I sometimes think one needs to know the work of: Aldous Huxley,William Blake, Charles Baudelaire, Arthur Rimbaud, Jack Kerouac, Friedrich Nietzsche, Antonin Artaud, Louis-Ferdinand C Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 I think Jim found in them what he was himself naturally looking for. That's not that he stole everything from them. He just found other people, writers or painters, busy with the same questions. The few interviews I could hear or read of him didn't show a stupid man at all. Certainly drugs and alcohol lead him to stupidity and excess here and there, but that's it. I believe Baudelaire or Rimbaud, writers I have read a lot, would have liked the Doors... I think you are right - from everything I have read about him, he seemed to be rather intelligent. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CortezTheKiller Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 The Doors catalog has now been re-issued at least 4 times - so although the majority of people here may view them as crap, they still have quite a following.Now getting the vinyl box-set treatment.http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00...argeheartedb-20 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
howdjadoo Posted April 21, 2008 Share Posted April 21, 2008 "This is the end, beautiful friend. It hurts to set you free, But you'll never follow me. The end of laughter and soft lies. The end of nights we tried to die. This is the... end." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Now getting the vinyl box-set treatment.http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00...argeheartedb-20Why not just go to your local used record store and get all of them used for a fraction of the cost, plus they will sound exactly as the creator thought they should, well used from being played at a million drug induced crazed parties.... LouieB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 I have said this before - but I bought the boxset from a few years ago - and the mixes are different and there are added parts in some of the songs. I don't like that at all. I don't know if the newest re-masters are the same deal or not. I have one original pressing - Waiting For The Sun - and it sounds pretty cool. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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