This is my HS alma mater...

[PopTodd]

So now Dude and Oblivious, I need to know who you all are, because it sounds like you were in HS around the same time that I was... and I was in the area where I had a choice of HP or Deerfield and I had a lot of friends at Deerfield.

 

We can take this offline...

[Guest Speed Racer]

This is the list of acceptable documents required to obtain an Arizona driver's license. You'll notice that I-94 cards, visa waivers, and some (but not all) employment authorization documents (which is it's own shortcoming, highlighting what happens when states get all up in federal business; there's a huge information disparity) are listed.

 

Anyway, you cannot obtain a driver's license without valid immigration status. Therefore, if you are pulled over and present a valid Arizona driver's license, you should be presenting, by proxy, evidence that you have valid immigration paperwork. What's that, you say? Fake IDs are easy to come by? Oh! Right! So, when someone presents you with a valid driver's license, how are you to determine what your reasonable cause is to presume that this license is fake, and you can therefore ask for their "paperwork"? Race doesn't come to mind, does it?

[Guest Speed Racer]

And for the record, the only places that race come up in the Arizona bill are in the subsections concerning employing unauthorized aliens. That is, the courts and authorities will not hear or investigate complaints based solely on national original, race or color. Nowhere else in the bill is race mentioned, meaning that - and forgive me if I'm reading this wrong - police can stop people on the street based solely on whatever they deem to be "reasonable" factors.

[Guest Speed Racer]

This is the same, brown skinned US citizens are going to be harrassed

 

For the past few years, we've had problems with people encountering minute-men militias on stretches of rural Arizona and Texas roads. One individuals was commuting between two Texas cities, and was regularly pulled over by citizens with guns, demanding to see his "papers." Occasionally they wouldn't know what acceptable documentation was, and that ended up with legal residents in situations with angry, untrained civilians with guns, which historically always ends well. I hope that if only one positive thing comes from its bill it's that minutemen in Arizona at least go back to sitting with their muzzles up their asses on their porches.

[Winston Legthigh]

When my father was in the army, in the 50s, he was stationed somewhere in Texas maybe? Or New Mexico? Somewhere near the border. So, they'd go South of the Border, Mexico way, to raise some hell. One night he didn't have his ID with him when he was coming back state-side, but he was with his army pals, who had their ID. Border guard asked him where he was born. He answered, (drunk) in a thick (faked) Norteño accent (My father is German/Scotch/Irish): "DEE-troit MEE-CHEE-gan." The border guard detained him, and his CO had to drive down to the border station to vouch for him and pick him up. CO was not impressed.

[Winston Legthigh]

If it is indeed federal law to always carry your citizenship papers at all times,

(It's not.)

[D-Dogg]

Wait, what? What federal law is that? As a citizen I need to carry my papers with me at all times?? Cite, please!

 

Federal Law requires those that are visiting, be it long term or short term, work or leisure, have proper documentation on them at all times.

 

This law is obviously not required for citizens, yet.

 

Legal resident and citizen, not the same.

[Guest Jules]

Sometimes, it's just good to be white.

 

 

[D-Dogg]

police can stop people on the street based solely on whatever they deem to be "reasonable" factors.

 

Does that not happen already?

 

I mean how many laws does a motorist snap when driving a mile down the road.

[OOO]

The general feeling I've gotten from students is that no one cares. This is next years team, which hasn't been picked yet. The idea is that if an undocumented student WAS on the team, they couldn't guarantee their legal safety in Arizona, so they might as well pick a different tournament to go to. There are a couple random parents up in arms, and to everyone else it's a non-issue.

[D-Dogg]

Sometimes, it's just good to be white.

 

To make this a race issue is actually ignoring all the other matters.

 

Well done.

 

Oh and yawn.

[Guest Speed Racer]

Does that not happen already?

 

Pardon, that sentence is meant to imply that they can infer about someone's immigration status just 'cause, not that they can pull someone over just 'cause.

 

Well done.

 

We're eagerly awaiting that citation fyi.

[D-Dogg]

The general feeling I've gotten from students is that no one cares. This is next years team, which hasn't been picked yet. The idea is that if an undocumented student WAS on the team, they couldn't guarantee their legal safety in Arizona, so they might as well pick a different tournament to go to. There are a couple random parents up in arms, and to everyone else it's a non-issue.

 

Right.

 

High School students don't get pissed when their trip (which they raised money themselves to go to) gets taken away from them by people they never met for political agendas.

 

I can understand worrying about taking the students to Phoenix because of the ridiculous amount of kidnappings (due to the drug war which is fueled by the illegal immigrants).But worrying about their "legal Safety" in Arizona is hypocritical considering the school has ventured to China, South America and the Czech Republic. Where do they plan on going next, Iran?

[Guest Jules]

What happened?

[Guest Speed Racer]

Right.

 

High School students don't get pissed when their trip (which they raised money themselves to go to) gets taken away from them by people they never met for political agendas.

 

You did read the part where he says he works at that school, right? So, instead of calling him misinformed, you're calling him a liar, right?

 

Frankly, I wouldn't give a rip. In my 16 year-old brain, Topeka would be just as exciting at Phoenix. Basketball is basketball, tournaments are tournaments and hotels are hotels. They raised money to go to *a* tournament, and they will go to a tournament. They will not go to a tournament in Arizona. Athletic schedules change constantly in high schools, for various reasons.

 

And I think it's safe to say that parents/faculty/staff frequently use students as pawns of their own political agendas.

 

ETA: Still waiting for that citation.

[D-Dogg]

Pardon, that sentence is meant to imply that they can infer about someone's immigration status just 'cause, not that they can pull someone over just 'cause.

 

 

How do you investigate if someone you suspect is breaking the law, you know being an illegal immigrant?

 

 

We're eagerly awaiting that citation fyi.

 

?

[OOO]

Right.

 

High School students don't get pissed when their trip (which they raised money themselves to go to) gets taken away from them by people they never met for political agendas.

 

I can understand worrying about taking the students to Phoenix because of the ridiculous amount of kidnappings (due to the drug war which is fueled by the illegal immigrants).But worrying about their "legal Safety" in Arizona is hypocritical considering the school has ventured to China, South America and the Czech Republic. Where do they plan on going next, Iran?

 

I think you're misinformed on the facts. This is a high school trip that would have happened in December. Also known as NEXT school year... which means there is no team yet to be disappointed that they are not going on the trip.

 

From the press release:

Under long standing constitutional law, all school districts are required to provide an education to all children within the District’s borders regardless of immigration status. District 113 boasts a diverse student population and, as a school district, we believe in equal opportunity for each of our students. The selection of a girls’ varsity basketball team for the 2010-2011 winter athletic season will take place in November, 2010. The team has yet to be selected. When our students travel, the school district is responsible, both legally and ethically, for their safety, security and liberty. We cannot commit at this time to playing at a venue where some of our students’ safety or liberty might be placed at risk because of state immigration law. Our athletes will play in a competitive basketball tournament during their winter break.

 

Another important clarification relates to the misreporting that is present in some media outlets. The basketball team has not qualified for a national championship tournament. Rather, they were striving to find a venue for next season that would stretch them and serve to unify the group as a team. The protocol to take a trip within the US is to request approval from the Executive Council team. The Arizona travel request was submitted to Executive Council just two weeks ago. The request was denied for the reasons previously stated.

 

I'm sitting in Highland Park High School right now and I've talked to students...and they don't think its a big deal

[PopTodd]

I'm sitting in Highland Park High School right now and I've talked to students...and they don't think its a big deal

 

Say "hey" to the Smoking Pit for me.

[D-Dogg]

You did read the part where he says he works at that school, right? So, instead of calling him misinformed, you're calling him a liar, right?

 

Frankly, I wouldn't give a rip. In my 16 year-old brain, Topeka would be just as exciting at Phoenix. Basketball is basketball, tournaments are tournaments and hotels are hotels. They raised money to go to *a* tournament, and they will go to a tournament. They will not go to a tournament in Arizona. Athletic schedules change constantly in high schools, for various reasons.

 

And I think it's safe to say that parents/faculty/staff frequently use students as pawns of their own political agendas.

 

ETA: Still waiting for that citation.

 

 

Pretty much yeah I am.

 

Being on plenty of traveling sports teams, I have never nor has my teammates ever been happy about a canceled trip. We would for sure be super pissed if it was due to political games played by adults.

 

Oh the citation for the law federal law that states residents must carry their papers on them at all times? Got it.

 

Not knowing the law does not make you free from it.

[Guest Speed Racer]

?

 

Oh, from the CFR, stating that an alien in the United States must have evidence of authorization to remain in the United States, on their personal at all times, and that to not have this documentation is punishable by law.

 

Being on plenty of traveling sports teams, I have never nor has my teammates ever been happy about a canceled trip. We would for sure be super pissed if it was due to political games played by adults.

 

Not cancelled. Rescheduled.

 

Would you still be pissed if you ended up in Miami, Palm Springs, San Diego or L.A.?

[bleedorange]

So, nobody thinks that it is comical that people would be worried about traveling to Arizona because "students' safety or liberty might be placed at risk because of state immigration law."

 

I'm going to make sure area schools here don't travel to Massachusetts. For the safety of unsuspecting children who might be propositioned by all the homosexuals wanting to get married.

[Guest Jules]

This reminds me of when my parents wouldn't let me go to D.C. for the 8th grade trip. Fuckers.

 

So, nobody thinks that it is comical that people would be worried about traveling to Arizona because "students' safety or liberty might be placed at risk because of state immigration law."

You've obviously never been to Highland Park.

[Guest Speed Racer]

Pretty much yeah I am.

 

Classy! Not knowing manners does not make you free from them.

[Winston Legthigh]

Federal Law requires those that are visiting, be it long term or short term, work or leisure, have proper documentation on them at all times.

 

This law is obviously not required for citizens, yet.

 

Legal resident and citizen, not the same.

Cite the law, please.

 

And, how does one tell if someone is a citizen or visitor?

[D-Dogg]

"Why are we mixing politics and a basketball tournament?" asked Michael Evans, whose daughter Lauren plays for the squad. "It's outrageous that they're doing this under the guise of safety."

 

Source: http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local-beat/Suburban-High-School-Cancels-Basketball-Teams-Trip-to-Arizona-93575429.html#ixzz0nv8O66S4

 

Parents of the girls on the Highland Park basketball team, however, said they do not think the decision should be a political one.

 

"I disagree personally with the Arizona legislation, but I also feel strongly about young women's rights," Cynde Munzer said. "They don't want to get involved in politics."

 

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/05/12/HS-basketball-team-cancels-Arizona-trip/UPI-30801273697868/

 

http://www.wgntv.com/news/wgntv-highland-park-az-tournament-may11,0,5173143.story