yes vip was seriously annoying. i ran into a guy at a bar later that night who i spotted in vip who asked me if i had ever heard of wilco....blah, blah, blah...then drunkenly proceeded to ask me what the lyrics to box full of letters were...while touching me and overwhelming my friends behind the bar. however, while this show seemed to attract a load of idiots (including streach) i stand by the fact that kc is NOT a shithole. i love this city. ps. pat did seem like he was having much more fun on friday when we were all dancing at mccoys though.