Chuck Turner

Thanks for posting this Analogman. I first saw H&M in Montery CA. summer of 75, in a theater on Cannery Row. I was 16. What got me to post was looking up Jean Roussell, Cat Stevens' piano player. For some reason I thought he had passed away, but no, Jean Roussell is alive and well. In 96,97,98 I played in a group with Jucy Lucy vocalist Paul Williams. I almost lost it when I found out Jean Roussell had been in Jucy Lucy on the "Pieces" album 1972.

Jean Roussell also played on some classic Bob Marley albums, a nice discography. Evidently he's also on the newest Cat Stevens/ Yusef Islam(sp) disc.

Bound For Glory is my favorite Ashby-film, but this has to be one of the most beautiful soundtracks ever.

In Bound for Glory, Woody Guthrie is played by David Caradine. A friend from my hometown, Rob Moses has been Carridine's training partner for the last 25 years.

(Me I'm a "Major Nobody"* but i still love the circles in life). In "Spiral Fitness" and *Nine Palms" Moses and Carradine explore the circles, spirals, sacred geometry of life . . .

dam, wish I had a clue, how come everybody gets this life thing but me, gotta think of a way to kill myself and come back and see if anybody misses me, better watch Harold and Maude again.

* "Major Noboby" = a has been who never ever was - (mike watt)

maybe if i could play in a band with Nels Cline again, someday, naahhh, i would just create more haters

Some one put a few clips on youtube . . . I just searched Wilco Barack Obama . . .

O.K. first off, by giving this thread a title Boo Hiss to Boo Hissing, I critisise myself for Boo Hissing the Boo Hiss thread.

That said. Why is there a thread dissing a present member of Wilco? The band is more successfull than it has ever been. I for one connected to SBS at a deep level. Connecting to SBS allowed to go back and appreciated everything else Wilco has done that much more.

I have a friend who builds up his music community. An extreeemly giving person. He is muched loved by his fellow musicians. We in L.A. don't see him as much. Seem's he joined a great band in Chicago . . .

In the film IATTBYH, theres a scene backstage at a Tweedy solo show where (to paraphrase) the guy asks - is the new album going to be more like Being There or Summer Teeth ? and Jeff answers something like - well it's not like either of them - The questioner seems a little dumb founded -

do you really want your artists and musicians to go backwards ?

I recently got a upgrade in my internet connection, and I have really enjoyed seeing live Wilco footage and Music Videos from the past. But it's because I'm in the present, in the now with Wilco that I can personally can appreciate there history. . . If I've got one foot in the past and one foot in the future, then I'm pissing, or should I say "Boo Hissing" all over today . . .

Just imagine all the arguments if this was a Yes message board!

I was thinking the same thing . . .

Nels kinda reminded me of Steve Howe every so often, especially playing with Wayne Pete (back in the early to mid 90's)

I remember introducing Patrick Moraz to Nels Cline around 93. Moraz was there (at the on going New Music Mondays)to see U Totem . . . Nels Cline Trio was my favourite band back then . . . . NCT closed most evenings . . .

What is "One True Vine" ???

Anyone know what shows the live tracks are from?

The live tracks are from the Filmore Auditorium in Denver 09/07.

One True Vine = a second chance at life

[. . . and yes, I remember D. Boon . . . 5 uu's + The Minutemen = The Stone Puppies (live on kxlu . . .)]

O.K. the first one I thought of was the 5 uu's. I can't get the url cept for http://wm05.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll and that ain't it. But enter 5 uu's under artist and it'll come up. My name is listed under the "performed songs by" er somin. Anyway, all those wierd California bands were in the org. called COMA back in the day, including N.C.

I lasted about a year in the 5 uu's but grew up with Dave Kerman. Most of the original uu's were at a 30 year high school reunion this Sept.

Amazing were still alive . . .

That was the loudest, most full sounding Wilco show i've been to. They ripped it up for sure. Nels was going extra crazy. The whole marriage proposal thing was cool too!

"The whole marriage proposal thing was cool too!" . . . i'm low tech, could someone explain what took place . . .

'marriage proposal thing' ?

I was in a Yes cover band and we had two sets: set 1 - The Gates of Delirium set 2 - Ritual.

 

I'm totally joking here (of course).

 

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I played on a duo recording with Patrick Moraz (from Relayer era Yes) were we covered John Cage . . .

I'm not joking here, but mine doesn't count cause I'm a dickhead . . .

. . . the 'act' on before (track 1) was Kronos Quartet, they covered Cage to, but it doesn't count cause Cage wrote the piece for them . . .

. . . come to think of it they (Kronos) covered Glenn Kotche to, but whoops they comissioned it, doesn't count . . .

i sometimes play in a cover band with a guy from jersey, he says, all the songs we play are original, it's just that we didn't write most of em . . .

i'm trying to get him to cover some wilco . . . but he's from jersey and his head is harder than mine . . .

I saw them at the Meadowlands at some point in May 1987. Great show - Bono may have thought he was Jesus, but we all did too. Lone Justice opened up for them.

So there was a reunion weekend in my hood (around Sept 22nd this year), and Ryan Hedgecock from Lone Justice showed to one of the gatherings. He was a couple years behind in school. Anyway it got me to searching around and I found a Lone Justice c.d. from 99' with with reissued stuff plus unreleased stuff and there was a Maria McKee/Bono duet on "Sweet Jane" from one of those U2, Lone Justice tours . . .

I think that L.J. c.d also has a track with some dude named Bob playin harmonica, not singing, just playing harp . . .

Bob Dylan er sommin like that, I dunno . . .

One True Vine

Me too. We should have a big VC party at the next Banyan show in Springdale. When Nels is playing, of course.

 

I will for sure be at the DiPiazza's Banyan gig and the Singers show in Hollywood. This is exciting news as always.

So who all is going on Friday ? I had some food last time for Banyan at DiPiazza's, got there early, there were 3 bands b4, gonna have to check the DiPiazza web site to check on how many bands (and who) is playing this Friday.

VC party ? or wait for the Nels Cline Singers ?

Banyan's pretty fun y'all . . .

San Diego tonite, Long Beach Friday. Time for a bump. I was at the DiPiazza's show at the beginning of the summer . . . very inspiring . . .

I'm seriously thinking bout this Friday (but i work on Sat. morn) . . . they sarted at 11:30 last time, oh well I've turned into a pumpkin and made it to work the next b4 . . .

I was last in line

For the One True Vine

The endless winding thread

I was dead at first

I had done my worst

(Oooo) when you came to me

Life had ceased

I was lost and tired

You set me free from this mighty, mighty fire

Just in time to be

(Oooo) My One True Vine

You used to come to me

and [now] you comfort me

You're the only one that I believe

I trust you

I hope that someday you will trust me to

I wanna be what you are to me

Life had ceased

I was lost and tired

You set me free from this mighty, mighty fire

Just in time to be

(Oooo) My One True Vine

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Tommyjacobs(sp) did the first post I saw on this, a page back (thankyou sir). So it made me search out the song. I'll post the changes eventually. It sounds like Nels on guitar, Mike on piano, Pat on organ, Glenn on drums, John on bass and and Jeff singing (but I could be wrong). It's that rythmic figure in the 4th verse, "I hope that someday you will trust me to" i think thats refered to as a hemiola. It would hard to play the pie anna and sing that figure at the same time.

(I've played it and sang it, but haven't got that part with out doing a straighter vocal line . . .)

every part played on the recording is beyond words . . . filled with gratitude . . .

There's a post on page two of this forum. Sumin like "One True Vine" chords (anybody know um). The guy did a good job with the first verse. There not hard lyrics to understand . . . I took down the 2nd verse pretty easy . . . go ahead, try it transcribing [the lyrics]you'll like it.

I ended up putting it in the key of C for the piano, although it sounds like B on the recording. C just lays nicely on the keys . . .

friggin beautiful song . . .

Wow, I've never seen so many posts before on VC regarding being clean or sobriety or quoting one of the 12 steps . . .

I had heard of a group of clean Gratefull Dead fans who used to meet up at concerts and wondered if this has ever happened or could it happen at Wilco shows . . .

the other thing is the Musicians Picnic is on this Sun in So. Cal (Chatsworth) with Wayne Crammer of MC5 (Doug Lunn on bass), English Beat and others . . . anyway, thats been a great event over the last 1/4 century, pretty much one of the largest clean and sober gatherings . . .

. . . just dreamin i guess, ya know, Wilcos on break, Nels lives in LA, Tweedys being of service comments on the Sunken Treasure DVD, . . . If the event is good enough for Clapton, Dr. John, Bonnie Raitt, Crosby, Ivan Neville, etc. maybe Wilco would play it some year . . .

(12 years clean this month . . )

"It was the third of September, that day I'll always remember, that was the day, that my [addiction] died"

I think "One True Vine" can be found on itunes. I have old school tech so I can't even download the itunes software. I searched high and low for "One True Vine" a couple months ago. It was on Virgins U.K. site for sale, and a Canadian site for sale, both of the sites CAN'T be accessed by 'Amuricans' . . . I even tried buying the bonus disc (that came with the indie stores SBS purchase) off some one on E bay, and then got a official e-mail from e-bay saying the guy wasn't 'allowed' to sell it . . . maybe those discs were marked not for resale . . . I don't know . . .

. . . so at this point, trying to by the tune legally for so long . . . I just gave in and found a semi spiritual persons blog that had an mp3 posted . . . I STILL wan't to buy it legally SO some one tell us how ! ! ! . . .

. . . I've already learned the tune and have performed it at a 12 step creative sharing meeting . . . people definitely like the tune . . .

. . . I've never heard LNGCA or "Let's Fight", but in my search the were a few European Wilco singles I guess you could find as imports . . . some day I'll get em . . .

. . . I bought "The Thanks I Get" on Rhapsody for 89 cents, . . . I'm a tech challenged piano player . . . so I coudn't even figure out how to get TTIG of wilcoworld and I've bought 2 versions of SBS cd, cd/dvd so far . . .

(i lived in santa fe for a minute in 85) . . . dang bjorn, those photos from the equinox(sp) made my day . . . what part of the year is 'maple syrup time' back east ? (cue seeger recording)

I had my 77 class reunion on Sat. nite. We got a hold of alot of musos from our year . . . Sorry but "the KISS year" got me . . . I called Juan Croucier (original Ratt bassist) and he showed up . . . Dang, playing Kiss covers beautiful and stoned* . . . Juan had KISS in the Cellar to record at some point in time. I couldn't tell you when . . . when we we're in high school we covered BOC's Bucks Boogie . . . we were into Yes and Tull but Juan would say nobody wants to hear "Thick as a Brick" for a 1/2 hour . . . He was way into Kiss, I think he got some stage moves from Gene Simmons . . .

o.k. o.k. boring I know . . . It's just that the weekends festivities coincided with another related area reunion, so it was nonstop . . . cowpunk pioneer Ryan Hedgecock showed (from Lone Justice, Maria McKee's partner) because his (and everybody elses in our hoods) guitar teachers Dennis and Greg Decastro we're there . . . my childhood best firend came from Denver, Dave Kerman (5 uu's, U Totem) . . .

. . . I told Greg DeCastro about looking out at Catalina from Point Vicinte (sp) and realizing . . . Sky blue Sky . . . and that Greg had named his son Skye after his childhood best friend Sky(sp) . . . I gotta leave it there . . but these types of coincidences are life afirming, given the pasage of so many years and the relationships that shape us . . .

When Greg and Dennis we're playing in the Davis's back patio for many of their old students, family and friends, I got a feeling of acient story tellers passing down the oral history to the next generation . . .

now if I could have just stopped talking . . . gotta learn to get outta the way . . .

O.K., now for something completely different . . . and humbling

In 1977-78 and beyond I played keyboard in the DeFranco Family, I was 18 at the start . . . and now the coinky-dink . . . Jeff Tweedy says the song title, "Hearbeat, It's a Love Beat" in the sunken treasure DVD . . . dang, somebody on VC metion that it was on Sundance Channel, so I watch it on cable and freaked a little hearing that . . . I fianally bought the DVD a few weeks ago and realized Scott Mc. is in that scene as well . . .

he said hello at Spaceland (Minus 5 gig), when he walked over to where I was at the bar, of course he doesn't know me from Adam, he was just being his friendly jovial self. I was clueless and metioned something about keyboard since he was at the board in shots from an Oregon Wilco show . . . "I always play guitar in the Minus 5" . . . I heard he was kind of an enciklepedia(sp) about music and recordings . . . man I could have been a real Spaceland Space Cadet and mentioned the D.F. . . . naaahhhh . . .

*(bleached blonde bobbie blotzer didn't show . . . i think the HMD had a gig)

p.s. I promise not to start a blog . . . cause it would suck . . .

Nels Cline and Dave Grohl are both on the tune "Big Train" from Mike Watt's Ball-Hog or Tugboat ?

So thats Wilco to Nirvana in ZERO degrees of seperation . . . wait, whats the rules ? . . . can Kevin Bacon or members of his family play this game ? . . . and when did cow punk really start ? . . .

them are nice . . .

Hello Matt,

Welcome to Via Chicago. I'm fairly new here myself. But some one took the time to say hey on my first post, so I'm paying it forward.

I'm not from the UK but Turner is an English last name (i think). I have, however played with some good musicians from your neck of the woods.

---- cheers

Me too. No Sundance here.

Briggs was completely infectious to me, and the live version of the fantastic Minus 5 song Cigarettes, Coffee and Booze*

Being a new convert, I have been getting into Robyn Hitchcock from his recent material and then going backwards, so the new set of out-of-print older work being released in October on YepRoc sounds interesting.

*If that's on the DVD, I'm going to hunt it down somehow. I absolutely loved the show I saw on that tour, and that song was incredibly fun.

"Cigarettes, Coffee and Booze", dang, the Minus 5 played this at Spaceland Saturday night. What a fun band . . . glad I went . . .

Silverlake is a long drive for you Donna, from Riverside. I checked the Spaceland website and got tix. I'm sure it's cheaper just payin the cover at the door, but I figured with Peter Buck it might be sold out, but nah. There's a Tai food place next door, at least there was when I saw Nels Cline Singers there a couple years ago.

21, yikes, I'm even past 42 "thank you"s (but still 40 something)

---- chuck t.

Dang, Kidsmoke, you are one of the VCer's I'd would love to meet at a show. I don't actually know anyone on VC, at least by there screen names.

I realize I'm a "major nobody" (watt pedro speil) but I would dig being at some sort So. Cal VC summit some day. I don't quite have the VC ettiquitte down yet. I've put my foot in mouth so many times on the boards I figured I'd get a pie in the face if I posted a seat no. b4 the Greek. So any way. You guys are the coolest fans a band could want. I aspire to be a worthy Wilco fan someday. Lurk and learn I guess.

Earlier this summer I did get to say hello to Mr. Cline at a Baynan gig. Nels was like, "Chuck Turner, what a suprise, you still livin in Torrance ?" . . . anyway I'm a dick, I'm addicted to VC . . .

Did anybody hang out after the show ? It was my first Wilco concert. So I don't know what hard core Wilco fans do after the band's done playin . . . I was home by 11:30 . . .

O.K. almost time for Jay Leno . . .

So when the band came out to the 70's TV theme music I blurted out Bob Neuhart(sp) and a young woman in the row in front said "thanks, I was trying to place that . . . " (or something). It must be a Pavlov's Dog thing with how many reruns I watched . . . dang I gotta kick television (b4 i start wrighting bad checks)

Do they always use that theme or do they mix it up with regards to entrance music? (or just making fun of L.A.)

In 1974 I went to a Stan Kenton clinic at El Camino College in Torrance. Anyway at the concert that night sitting near me were two guys from the Bob Neuhart cast. The orthidontist guy and the black hair group therapy patient (the one that was in "Attack of the Killer Tomato's").

Just tripping I guess. Lot's of musicians went to those Kenton clinics at a young age (Keith Jarret, Bobby Watson). I guess Kenton did em for a couple decades.

So yeah seventies, The Ray Coniff Singers, The Nel's Cline Singers, Destroy all Monsters, Destroy all Nels Cline . . .

I digress, "The Kid's of Today Should Defend Themselves against the Seventies"