sweetheart-mine

carried over from the other thread:

 

 

good lord... i had tears streaming down my face during the segment with Jocelyn...

 

me too. thanks for posting this. it's exactly the kind of thing that makes me wonder how on earth anyone can worry about the possibility of high-income folks having their taxes increased a few percentage points. in the face of stories like these, it just seems so blind and backward, on the most basic human level. i don't understand it.

Sorry about that. The book "The Bad Guys Won" is a poorly-written, cliche-riddled piece of crap, but it has some funny stories in it.

thanks, i'm probably over it enough now, finally. but just in case, could you post the page numbers of the funny stories that aren't poorly-written, cliche-riddled pieces of crap? in your spare time.

I think it's just the contrast against the man who has the complexion of a window.

that, and i'm helping get this thread to 1,000 so a new one can be started.

They said the same thing about the Mets in the '80s. (Though it was kind of true in that case - those dudes were dicks.)

they were. especially ray knight after game 6 in '86.

As an INFJ you

INFP

my cd's are a big fat mess. in fact they're about seven big fat messes.

no complaint about the tbs announcers. none of them is tim mccarver; none of them is jon miller. that gives them at least a B+ right there.

i miss the sox characters too. about all that's left for lighthearted whimsy is the don and jerry show during the regular season, which can make up for a little of what is gone.

if the sox have to lose, i'll be glad it's to the rays, who are more than interesting this year and without strutting -- good combo.

P.S. I would also like to address that none of the conservative, anti-tax folks on here have use a single word to address the realities of socioeconomic class.

my educated guess would be that it's inconvenient for them to do that.

I'm afraid the "we work hard for ours" argument is bullshit. Everyone works hard for the money -- someone's got to fill all those minimum wage McJobs so that investors can prosper. And that person, who likely has to work a second job, perhaps raise kids while they're at it, after working hard for as many hours as it takes, doesn't have the opportunity to scrimp and save and buy a house and invest what's left -- because there IS nothing left (and no healthcare along the way). The idea that everyone has the opportunity to rise to the top is horseshit -- capitalism needs its wage slaves to transfer to wealth to the top.

well said.

and the "we work hard" bit, as if others lower on the income scale don't, is incomprehensible to me.

help.

Then, we're in agreement. Obama is probably being honest about his philosophy towards governing and I'm in more agreement with McCain than I am with Obama.

 

Income is yearly whereas wealth is accumulated. Obama is proposing to raise taxes on the former, not the latter.

right, we know where we stand on both counts then. i suspect there ultimately may be some fine-tuning of your second point if obama gets into office. i would hope so, personally.

I don't know what wealthy is, but specifically a lower corporate tax rate (25%), and reducing/eliminating the estate tax (double taxation; I know people who had to sell the business in order to pay the estate tax. Ridiculous). Also maintaining the capital gains and dividen tax rates. Relaxed rules on expensing equipment. He also proposes leaving the top tax bracket at 35%, which isn't a reduction per se, but something I agree with.

i agree with you on the estate tax. corporations, though, need a long, deep, chronic, and public audit, which i think would result in even more of a leap in corporate taxes than obama might be thinking of -- and many people would be calling for it, including a few conservatives i know.

You're right. All we have to go by is Obama's proposals. Now, I suppose he could be a big liar and is actually planning to keep taxes low, cut spending, appoint strict constructionist judges, refrain from further socializing healthcare, etc., but I assume he's being honest and thus do not care to vote for him.

it's pretty hard to know what actually will happen once someone gets into office. bush ran on "compassionate conservatism," and he gets an F for both words, almost from the get-go. i do believe that obama is a more honest person, though.

What does wealth have to do with anything? I thought Obama was going to raise taxes on high incomes.

lower

do you mean lower for the wealthy? i'm just curious, since obama's plan IS to lower taxes for the vast majority of americans -- the middle class.

i do find it funny, that one of the biggest reasons a lot folks here voted for kerry (including me) was based on little more than 'he's not bush'...now, you're poking at people for more detail when they say 'he's not obama'.

 

can't you guys just get that certain folks may find similiar issues important to them that you do...however, their view of how said issue needs to be addressed can lead them to a candidate that isn't yours. that, kids, is democracy.

i get that, though big difference: in '04 we'd already seen just how destructive bush and cronies could be and were (i.e., way more than imagined). the not-obama voters don't have such solid evidence.

however: geez, fans at fenway, speak up!!! need a shot in the arm? they look and sound like easter island.

Most companies are not news organizations with a trust to the public to give true unbiased information.

that's a "trust to the public" i've probably never seen fulfilled. it's a nice ideal, though, and one i myself held for many years. now you've stirred up my yearning for the old days. how old are you?

Is this board not tolerant of free speech?

give me a break. is speech free only when someone else doesn't disagree?

These stations go laughing all the way to the bank and it is a shame.

of course they do, as do most companies out there to make money. however, they are but two of thousands of (better) sources of information.

QUOTE (Good Old Neon @ Oct 12 2008, 06:47 PM) *

Fox News, once you overcome the anger and sadness it sort of forces you to feel inside, is almost, if not more entertaining than The Daily Show. The key, for me at least, is to view it as a satire of an all news cable news channel and/or a fascinating look into the mind of Roger Ailes - because when you watch Fox you can almost feel it, what a bleak and merciless world he lives in.

[and dadogg adds sarcastically: ..."I get my information from watching MSNBC , they tell the truth."]

fox, with its claim on "fair and balanced" reporting, has pretty much become a caricature of itself. i try to take it seriously, because i seriously want to compare its kind of coverage with that of other stations, but really, it is like watching satire.

MSNBC doesn't hide whatever biases some of its commentators have behind some flunky slogan. it's "the place for politics." it doesn't pretend to present everything as "balanced," i'd guess because for some reason the station's corp finds it at least tolerable to regularly broadcast some commentators trying to compensate for the huge biases, never mind outright lies, of the bush administration, its aspiring heirs, and the radio and tv stations that pretend to have a corner on the truth.

That's what you took from a quote where I called her dumb and said she shouldn't be VP? I guess I went too far by saying that she wasn't a fascist.

have to say, i was wondering about that reaction myself.

JASON BAY!

i love pieholden suite -- it's gorgeous. :wub

The Pieholden Suite thing is KILLING ME. One of my favorite songs. Hell Is Chrome too. Jeeze.

same here. two of my all-time favorites.

If you see footage of the rallies, McCain has lost control of his mob. There's this disenfranchised group of conservative, white, working-class fanatics that are picking up torches. I actually felt a little warmth for McCain when he served out his "Obama does this and that" line and before the whole crowd erupts someone yells "Kill him!". McCain makes this face that says "Okaaaay.... that's a bit muuuuch."

mccain's attempts to slightly calm the extremely aggressive frenzy he and palin have been whipping up among supporters (ones you'd think he'd be ashamed to name as his) are really too tame and oblivious, in my opinion. a face that reacts to someone yelling "kill him" with a "that's a bit muuuuch" look does not cut it. they and their campaign are appealing to the absolute worst in people, at least in some places. i didn't foresee this kind of ugliness, maybe because to me it goes beyond the political into some other hellish realm.

like you say elsewhere, there are mental problems in those crowds, and they scare me like any other aggressive, violence-spewing mob that shows up in my living room via the television. in fact, . . . never mind.

Or vote for the GOP and make it worse? If that is even possible. We are currently seeing the lowest disapproval rating ever. Margin or error: the liberals cooked the numbers. uh huh.

aw, you can't blame them. these conservatives are just naive. they keep hoping obama is going to fix it all, perhaps in his first month in office. poor things. with time, perhaps they'll get real.