ChooChooCharlie

You've been the most consistently combative person (in the last political thread), so I thought you had a little thicker skin than that. I don't talk authoritatively about elections that happened before I could vote for a reason. That's why I brought it up. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. I guess the difference between the two statements above is that I couldn't care less about the 'fucking of self' comments. Actually, they were kinda funny.... Extraordinarily different. The former has tangible evidence reported widely by hundreds of credible sources. The latter......doesn't.

You sound angry........again Bob. You questioned points myself and others made -- and in turn, I gave you a paragraph of facts, and others supplied links. Then you lumped stolen elections in with radical 9/11 theories. When you put your credibility at issue in that obvious of a way, your age was one of a few relevant points. No reason to be insecure man -- I wish I was 20....

That's convenient. You were 12 and 16 respectively during the elections we're debating, so unless you were an unusually sophisticated pre-teen and teen, you probably didn't gain much first-hand knowledge about whether these elections were stolen or not. Then you don't educate yourself about them ("I've heard some stuff"). Then you get provided with links, and an explanation to your questions on this board and you ignore them. Then you lump the truth you wish was false with a radical theory about 9/11 in a lame attempt to discredit it. Your credibility is not at an all-time high Bob.

at the expense of developing alternative fuel sources -- yes, that would be stupid. Even conservative estimates of drilling for more oil indicate we won't get it for a decade and it will account for a fraction of our need. Very, very stupid -- at least as the bulk of the plan. nailed it.

well played. Just like no one has concretely proven evolution. But there are some pretty solid "allegations" that its goin down. And I never said they stole 2004. Check the thread. Someone else said that. I do think there was voter suppression and corruption in Ohio in 2004, but I'm not positive that election was fraudulently obtained. I think people broke the law to get Bush elected, but he may have been elected anyway -- from what I've read, its a close call.

The FACT that oil companies are the highest profits in their history at the same time gas prices are the highest they've ever been is all the evidence I need (not to mention at a time where the current administration has long-standing ties with the oil industry). But I suppose that's all a coincidence.

If you don't know more about the 2000 election through the thousands of articles, books, videos, documentaries, and movies than I don't know what to tell you. VERY briefly: Bush gets elected through voter disenfranchisement and fraud in a state where his brother is in charge of making sure there is no disenfranchisement or fraud, then the Supreme Court grants certiorari where they had no business granting it, because SC justices nominated by Bush's dad or during his Vice-Presidency want to. Those judges stop the recount. Bush still loses popluar vote, but gets elected through the arcane ele

It is. It most definitely is. I think its funny conservatives even deny it anymore. If I were a conservative I would just brag about it.

now thats a motherflippin post.

I fail to see a point among the capital letters. I saw this live and it was hillarious. I love the National Gaurd Commander-in-Chief argument (analogous to the "executive-politician" bullshit). I played with G.I. Joe as a kid so I'm qualified to be Commander-in-Chief too.

This is nothing more than my intuition talking -- but I would bet dollars to pesos Sarah Palin will go down as the worst VP pick in recent history. Of the many videos I've watched of Palin speaking, articles I've read, quotes from her family, daughter's pregnancy vs. her abstinence stance, a husband who could get very interesting, and a political life in Alaska antithetical to that of D.C. -- I don't think she has any idea what she and her family have gotten themselves into. I think this is gonna be ugly. I actually feel kinda sorry for the entire family.

The first time I heard any police ask anyone not to cross some line was after she had been pulled along and the arrest had began. I tried to watch the video again from your point of view, and have personally concluded the video is inconclusive of fault on either side. Since the arrest of the producers at least appeared to be recent, that was the best way at that time. I'm a prosecutor very familiar with filing charges, and your assumptions about inquiries into arrests is as immature as your choice of 'emoticon'. Its a bureaucratic mess and she would be fortunate to get any answers that d

I laughed my ass off when I read that.

What evidence do you have of her antagonizing police? Were we watching the same video? One second she's standing in one place, asking why her producer has been arrested for covering the protests, and the next second she's being pushed around and cuffed. Gotta hand it to you for your ability to only see what you want to see.

although far from an unknown album, Lou Reed's Transformer is in my top 5 all-time, and when I bring it up among even music savvy groups, I tend to get more crickets than knowledge.

bob, you sound angry.

I am totally with you and this has been annoying me too. But in fairness to Bob"F'ing"Bob1313 -- he lists his age as 20........so I guess he kinda is "acting his age"........

1. Isn't she? 2. Ooo, I know. Didn't John McCain father a black child out of wedlock? Maybe she is there?!

Middle ground: Science plus spirituality. Not believing in evolution isn't insane to me, its just stupid. Not everything is black and white like Bush would like us to believe.

Republicans don't need millions -- Rove designs the Swiftboating tactic and delegates to PACs technically separate from the campaign.

Wow. Conflict resolution is clearly not Bob Squared's strength. You're so pissed its like the VP just shot you in the face or something.

Great minds Beltmann -- I cut ties with all my friends who liked the Bush administration too.

Amen Edie. I don't like 'em in my music or my politics. Trite.