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They are probably in my top 5 currently.  Just a cool band.  I do wish the bass player was clearer in the mix and improvised a bit.

The democrats have such a huge chance to actually do something to unite this country.  Not sure what it would be.  I'm pessimistic though.  Special interests and drones win every time.  

Anyone here watching the Luke Cage on Netflix. Really digging it a whole lot.

 

LouieB

Yes.  The fact that these netflix marvel shows are in the same universe as agents of shield and the goofy movies is hilarious.

That's interesting. I would think he was probably pretty strung out during that tour. 

 

I think as time (decades) go by I just prefer acoustic Dylan more than whatever else he does. 

I like that acoustic set on Real Live.  Especially Tangled up in Blue with the different lyrics.  It's also cool when the crowd just goes apeshit when Dylan starts playing the harmonica.

This is the same question I was asking above. The ethics are just as rotten in all of these offenses, but I'm thinking (cynically) that the difference is those other groups are minorities and ones that bigoted white men are insulated from. Women aren't a minority, they're interwoven with everything and everyone that our society is.

 

Also, as for the boys will be boys/ locker room excuse, I don't buy it. Even as a drunken lusty 17 year old man surrounded by the same, we may have described aspirations or crudely admired people's anatomy, but we NEVER joked about assaulting a woman with aggressive and unwanted advances.

 

Any man can be a little gross, but there are limits for everyone and the comments on the tape are unrecognizably crude to my experience.

Even in the locker room I never heard someone talk about grabbing certain parts of the body or assaulting.  Good point.

I'm tired of living in a nation full of idiots. The amount of people that will believe this bullshit is not small. http://www.npr.org/2016/10/07/496996886/matt-drudge-suggests-government-may-be-lying-about-hurricane-matthew

Dude, most people are idiots.  It is tiring.  

My main reaction to the current Trump Tape is that this is the normal way most men talk about women at some point or all of their lives. Some don't know any different.  Others just want to be 'one of the boys'.  They also talk about men this way too...the wimps, for lack of a better word.

My other reaction (which in no way takes away from the seriousness of the Tape) is wondering where the outrage was when Trump basically criminalized an entire religion and an tire population of a country.  

Alas, the stupidity will continue. Ugh.

yeah, i'm doing one a year.  i don't buy tickets.  just get one in the lot, usually for less than face.  it's kind of nice not being so nervous about getting tickets and traveling etc. i'm lucky to live in a city they play every year. to be honest though, i wish i was seeing the Grateful Dead once a year.  Would probably be 5 though :-)

Anderson, Rabin & Wakeman...unless they cancel at the last minute.

Please report back.  I'm so curious about this tour.

Yea - they could have put Down By The Seaside or some other track on there instead. 

I hated that song too, but somehow got into it after living with the album for a while.  Tangerine and That's The Way are my favorites.

Pretty similar. Saw shows from '87-'96 or '97, then none until they started playing Dick's (2011?).

I'm just like you dudes. I started in 91 and then basically was obsessed from 92-00.  I was lucky enough to see them in bars and small places. The setlists back then were nuts, as you can imagine.  I remember a show in 98, can't remember, but I left early and was just exhausted.  The band had just started YEM and I could not stomach the vocal jam coming up.  Went to one show in 99 and one of the comebacks in 02.  Finally went to a show in 13 and it was so surreal seeing all these young kids. Not to mention the whole new Phish culture that had developed.  Wookies and shit??  It was also quite sad and nostalgic for me for various reasons. The band I had seen in the 90s was no longer around.  That was okay.  I was/am fine with the boys playing easier songs (chalkdust, mama dance) and the more chill jams.  However, the constant fuck ups are just so hard to take.  I don't know why it was part of the deal and accepted with the Dead.  They started out as a loose band.  Phish, on the other hand, started as a high energy machine with gags, gimmicks and complex music.  You can't get away with half assing that stuff later in the band's life.  At least not for me.  I think in the 90s we just got so used to phish.  seeing several shows at a time in a tristate area was common and every show was mind blowing.  I talked to Mike several times as he would come out and chill with the crowd.

Lawn Boy and Rift are two of my favorite albums of all time.  I remember we were so excited about Hoist given what Rift was.  Alas, Hoist was an absolute disappointment.  Billy, Ghost and Farmhouse were great.  Round Room had potential if the band had actually released a recorded album and not some studio demo.  The last several have had a few gems.  THE best thing they've done since 2002 is that Haunted House set.

October 5th 1970

 

Still my favorite LZ album

Me to.  From the artwork to the final song.  Just a album of what rock could be integrating acoustic and electric.  It's so varied too, from blues to ballads.  Good stuff.  I think it tends to be forgotten given what came before and after.  But when you remember it...what a treat!

Someone really does need to investigate Benghazi! And uncover what really happened there. \\

All secretary of states and presidents  have done that awful shit.  that's no excuse though.  

People of all political stripes get very upset at the suggestion. My anthropology professor in college deconstructed it over a one hour lecture. I was getting upset and couldn't figure out why (drastic world view reordering), I left with my mind blown.

Me too.  I had to hear about it several times.  I was really interested though.  It really helps one understand the historical legacy of racism that is in full force today.  I remember trying to explain to someone how the 'cutoff points' for each race are absolutely arbitrary.  That got her attention.  It is a lot to take in. Our socialization is impossibly strong.

Shouldn't his nickname be 'Dween'?

Opeth and The Sword.

 

 

had no gas in the tank to then head over to the Kikagaku Moyo show, even though i am sure it was great. hell, i missed The Poster Children and Kudgel as well.

Both of those bands would be so fun to see live!  I was watching a live video of Opeth and their front man said to the crowd, "we have tuned our instruments down to make this song sound more evil".  So great!

Yes, yes and yes. The biology of race (read: there is none) should be required learning in high school.

I agree.  Basic education.  The fact that the Race Myth is not taught has much to do with continued racism or at least continuing a perception of race as reality.  A black friend and I attempted to explain the mythology of race to one of our professors in our counseling psychology phd program.  The dude did not get it at all.  !!

Well... here's an olive branch: things usually get dicey when we talk about race. Even when extremely well-meaning people talk. But talk we must, with humility and a forgiving spirit.

 

The entire goal of being PC is to communicate without verbally marginalizing someone. It's a good goal.

A good starting point might be learning the fact that 'race' does not exist as some fundamental law of nature.  It's a myth that was created and used to justify enslaving people.  From there we could learn about what race and racism is and actually listen to the groups that have suffered from it for generations AND realize we have the same wants as them. And from there we could get to a place where we understand ideology and reification of racism...political correctness is then a moot issue because it's a fascinating joy to call folks by their self determined names.  

Holy hat - that was released in October 1998.

I know!  Crazy!

I was wondering about that when I first saw it mentioned. I don't know if I will bother buying that 2 disc version or not. I am thinking I won't if the set list is the same as the release from a few years ago. 

It came out 20 years ago!  Right?  Like you, to me it feels like 2 years ago. Dylan was wrong when he sang 'time passes slowly'.

That is weird.

That acoustic set is perfect to me.  All of my favorites.  Could do with out the crazy harmonica at the end of Desolation though.

^^ She is.  Amanda just played a show in Chicago and had all the gear stolen from her van during the show.

That has happened to more musician friends than I can remember.  One friend had a Martin acoustic stolen in the time he put it in the van to go back to the stage to get more stuff.  So awful!!

I've been playing the new DBT a lot. It keeps getting better & better. Hopefully they will have cds at the rock show tonight as I've been playing a low bit rate download. If not, I'll go buy it tomorrow. The band is really tight & the lyrics are incredible. I'm hoping this record will get them a much deserved bigger audience.

More audience and a bit of controversy.  A good mix as far as I'm concerned.  Have a good show!

Stream the album at NPR:

 

http://www.npr.org/2016/09/29/495514341/first-listen-phish-big-boat#

 

Seems there are some phish fans that really like it. I'm still not in that group. 

yeah, i've been lurking the various phish forums and some people really like it.  maybe younger fans?  glad they're enjoying it.  Blaze On isn't that bad.  Opening with a Fish tune about God is a big misstep.  Incidentally, some of those phish forums are awful.  reddit isn't too bad.  there's all this phish vocabulary that has developed over the last 20 years that i've really missed out on.

also, incidentally, that first mike album with leo kotke holds up.  love hearing mike's bass so clearly.

Yes, great interview.  Loved reading about how Jason joined the band.  Would've never thought this line up has been the most stable.  I live in Atlanta, so I know the Star Bar etc. Patterson or Cooley usually do a Dec residency at a local acoustic venue.  Bitter Southerner is always involved.  It's a great blog.  A little romantic, but a breath of fresh air.

Preach on! 

Edit---thoughts on Jason's solo output?  I kind of lost track after the first solo album.  I know his last two have been pretty big.

Ramon Casiano is great. Some great sounds all throughout the record. The lyrics overall are a little too preachy for my taste. 

What did you expect?  DBT has made no bones about being quite liberal...especially for the south.  Really, what's it gonna take to get people thinking?  Ironically, this record will only serve to entrench conservative fans' views even more.  

I have to say that I am forever grateful for their music and message.  I'm a yankee who came to Atlanta, Georgia in the late 90s. Not only am I not scared of Black folks anymore, I'm also aware of the duality of southern thing.  The south has it's shadow side, but has suffered quite a bit and has not recovered...to some extent.  It's as if the south is supposed to fix all of the nation's problems.  Of course more could be said.  The music has really opened my mind.  I was ready for it though.

This thread prompted me to pull out Man Under the influence.  Not one bad track.  Solid from top to bottom.  I've seen him live too.  He interacts with the audience a lot and has a great accompanying guitarist.