rwrkb Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/inde...ts-tricky-riff/ it may have been 20 years for some of us, but apparently The Knack is just catching up to 1986 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 Jesus, the comments in that thread are incredible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 Jesus, the comments in that thread are incredible. No doubt. The difference between The Knack and rap Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LouieB Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 Someone (the Knack), must be broke. (I guess that's why Knack rhymes with hack....) LouieB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
street spirit Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 (edited) if the comments on rap reflect Rolling Stones' current audience, that explains why they continue to strive to be so terribly irrelevant. Edited September 19, 2006 by street spirit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 I remember eating record album-shaped bubble gum that came in a package designed to mimic a mini-Get The Knack album.I can't believe I couldn't find an easier way to say that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Analogman Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 I remember eating record album-shaped bubble gum that came in a package designed to mimic a mini-Get The Knack album.I can't believe I couldn't find an easier way to say that. I think I remember that stuff - Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atticus Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 I know it was mentioned in the article, but I cannot imagine how there is not a statute of limitations defense available to the knack. Typically the only way to toll a statute of limitations is by some specific tolling statute or by showing that you weren't or should not have been (reasonable person standard) aware of the acts giving rise to the cause of action. That is hardly the case here... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 unfortunately, sample laws all totally ambiguous and all over the map. I just read the 33 1/3 book on the Beastie Boys 'Paul's Boutique' album, possibly one of the most sample heavy in the genre...sample clearance/litigation was covered a lot and I still don't get it. there has to be a better way, however. i think most hip hop artists would be okay w/ paying a fair fee for use of said samples, but currently only (mostly lame) marque artists like Eminem and Puffy can afford to do so. getting a piece of the pie on a multi-platinum album by said artists is a lot different than suing an underground artist moving a couple of thousand units on Stones Throw or Def Jux. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
deepseacatfish Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 unfortunately, sample laws all totally ambiguous and all over the map. I just read the 33 1/3 book on the Beastie Boys 'Paul's Boutique' album, possibly one of the most sample heavy in the genre...sample clearance/litigation was covered a lot and I still don't get it. there has to be a better way, however. i think most hip hop artists would be okay w/ paying a fair fee for use of said samples, but currently only (mostly lame) marque artists like Eminem and Puffy can afford to do so. getting a piece of the pie on a multi-platinum album by said artists is a lot different than suing an underground artist moving a couple of thousand units on Stones Throw or Def Jux.Yeah sampling is tricky (no pun intended), but I think a fair fee would work out well. There's a clear difference between sampling and ripping off a riff. Nobody sues John Williams over quoting classical composers in his film scores, and sampling really is more along those lines than simply appropriating someone else's music to make money for yourself. Really, if someone asked me to use something I wrote/created as a sample in a piece I would be flattered, not worried about loss of revenue. Now completely ripping off a song is another thing (aka, Vanilla Ice and the whole Under Pressure thing)--but with an artists permission and a fee I think all those worries could be allieviated. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Stewart Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 aka, Vanilla Ice and the whole Under Pressure thingI wish YouTube had footage of Le'Iceman on MTV defending his "Ice, Ice Baby" on the grounds that it was not actually "Under Pressure" that he sampled. He said something like "Under Pressure goes DUN DUN DUN DA-NA-DUN DUN where mine goes "DUN DUN DUN DUN DA-NA-DUN DUN!" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
deepseacatfish Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 I wish YouTube had footage of Le'Iceman defending his "Ice, Ice Baby" on the grounds that it was not actually "Under Pressure" that he sampled. He said something like "Under Pressure goes DUN DUN DUN DA-NA-DUN DUN where mine goes 'DUN DUN DUN DUN DA-NA-DUN DUN!"Yeah, I remember seeing that, hilarious. I think his differences was "Under Pressure" is dun dun dun dun da-na-dun dun and his was dun dun dun dun da-na dun chick Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atticus Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 Yeah, I remember seeing that, hilarious. I think his differences was "Under Pressure" is dun dun dun dun da-na-dun dun and his was dun dun dun dun da-na dun chick very well-dunned! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 I wish YouTube had footage of Le'Iceman on MTV defending his "Ice, Ice Baby" on the grounds that it was not actually "Under Pressure" that he sampled. He said something like "Under Pressure goes DUN DUN DUN DA-NA-DUN DUN where mine goes "DUN DUN DUN DUN DA-NA-DUN DUN!" I couldn't find it either, but this came up... Main Source - Fakin' the Funk and Ed Lover disses both Vanilla and Gerardo. So, yeah, punks jump up to get the beatdown. Jammy. plus... this just owns. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 and, then, bringing it back around: Run DMC Feat. Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth - Down With The King Packed w/ that signature Pete Rock style and hip hop vid cameo goodness. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mpolak21 Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 The laws regarding sampling have changed since 1986, so I am not sure how this case is going to work out. I'm hoping the Knack get laughed out of court for trying to do this. --Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 and, then, bringing it back around: Run DMC Feat. Pete Rock & C.L. Smooth - Down With The King Packed w/ that signature Pete Rock style and hip hop vid cameo goodness.That's fine track, right there. And suitable for Sunday School! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EL the Famous Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 That's fine track, right there. And suitable for Sunday School! right on. better than this for sure: Shut the fuck up, Hammer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rwrkb Posted September 19, 2006 Author Share Posted September 19, 2006 I wish YouTube had footage of Le'Iceman on MTV defending his "Ice, Ice Baby" on the grounds that it was not actually "Under Pressure" that he sampled. He said something like "Under Pressure goes DUN DUN DUN DA-NA-DUN DUN where mine goes "DUN DUN DUN DUN DA-NA-DUN DUN!" you know the best thing is that is still how he defends it. hilarious. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cryptique Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 Huh. Doug Fieger's brother is one of the most notorious scumbag lawyers in the country, and he's apparently not involved in this case? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
street spirit Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 you know the best thing is that is still how he defends it. hilarious. i was under the impression that that's actually how he got away without clearing the sample, legally... which, of course, doesnt excuse it artistically Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rwrkb Posted September 20, 2006 Author Share Posted September 20, 2006 i was under the impression that that's actually how he got away without clearing the sample, legally... which, of course, doesnt excuse it artistically i'm pretty sure he got away with it legally 'cause he started playing his 'metal' rendition of "ice ice baby" and the judge couldn't take it anymore. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bjorn_skurj Posted September 20, 2006 Share Posted September 20, 2006 He didn't get away with it. They settled out of court and Bowie and Queen are now listed as co-songwriters. Sure, he deserves death, but justice is funny like that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rwrkb Posted September 20, 2006 Author Share Posted September 20, 2006 He didn't get away with it. They settled out of court and Bowie and Queen are now listed as co-songwriters. Sure, he deserves death, but justice is funny like that. he would have if had done the metal version in front of everybody. they'd have felt really sorry for him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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