Why was it so important

[willywoody]

Even with that, there are large swaths of the south that still refer to the Civil War as the "War of Northern Aggression".

 

i've a few friends who's families, now many generations back, lost everything due to the pillage and burn tactics of the union army. they're still pissed about it. i kind of chuckle to myself when i hear them talk about it but i wonder how i'd feel if it was my family. so i can see where the war of northern aggression term comes from.

[OOO]

I can't see why burning everything between Atlanta and the Atlantic would seem unreasonable to anyone.

 

Good ole Sherman.

[Duck-Billed Catechist]

You know, there was a popular book and this sort of thing--Confederates In the Attic. One of the nuggets contained therein is that Sherman's march through Georgia was pretty tame and that many of the private residences supposedly burned are still standing. He was apparently regarded reasonably well in the south 110 years ago and the tale has changed in the telling.

[OOO]

im not really interested in facts that don't support what I say.

[Duck-Billed Catechist]

Apparently Sherman promised to "make Georgia howl" and then didn't really follow through. That might have something to do with the perception.

[willywoody]

You know, there was a popular book and this sort of thing--Confederates In the Attic. One of the nuggets contained therein is that Sherman's march through Georgia was pretty tame and that many of the private residences supposedly burned are still standing. He was apparently regarded reasonably well in the south 110 years ago and the tale has changed in the telling.

 

 

he was regarded well in many places he spared, one being charleston, sc. however, those from columbia, sc and many points elsewhere would not be so kind in speaking of sherman.

 

and while this has little to do with the topic at hand, everyone should check out the documentary "sherman's march." it has 5% history and 95% self loathing and skirt chasing. very funny.

[Sir Stewart]

Apparently Sherman promised to "make Georgia howl" and then didn't really follow through. That might have something to do with the perception.

Little known fact: Georgia was the name of his concubine.

[caliber66]

You know, there was a popular book and this sort of thing--Confederates In the Attic. One of the nuggets contained therein is that Sherman's march through Georgia was pretty tame and that many of the private residences supposedly burned are still standing. He was apparently regarded reasonably well in the south 110 years ago and the tale has changed in the telling.

I have that book. Interesting stuff.

[Sweet Papa Crimbo]

Weighing in at 9 minutes, 57 seconds. "Hey, we were kidding when we yelled 'Freebird.' "

 

 

I actually find the video funny...song is great.

 

Yeah, show us the shots of the girls in the front row. Thirty years later no one will want to see Allen Collins tearing up the solo...yeah...that's the ticket.

 

And to think that Tweedy deep sixed the Kicking Television DVD because there weren't enough shots of the crowd.

Meh...

[Duck-Billed Catechist]

There were about five different reasons floated for the demise of that release.

[EL the Famous]

There were about five different reasons floated for the demise of that release.

 

#4 being terry bozzio's drumkit would not fit on most tv screens. true fact.

[Sweet Papa Crimbo]

The Civil War was not all about slavery. Slavery did only exist in The South. Racism does not only exist in The South.

 

Slavery STILL exists in the world. It's a dirty little secret of the third world.

[bjorn_skurj]

i've a few friends who's families, now many generations back, lost everything due to the pillage and burn tactics of the union army. they're still pissed about it. i kind of chuckle to myself when i hear them talk about it but i wonder how i'd feel if it was my family. so i can see where the war of northern aggression term comes from.

Hey man, those troops at Fort Sumter didn't fire on themselves.

[willywoody]

Hey man, those troops at Fort Sumter didn't fire on themselves.

 

 

true.

 

the way the war was fought in the last years though was with a slash and burn tactic by the union forces aimed at the general populace instead of the more formal types of war with enemy forces shooting it out face to face or encampment to encampment. this is a more modern interpretation of the "northern agression" term that i've heard people use.

 

that the us govt was telling the south to give up its wealth (ie, slaves and the wealth of their production) without compensation is the original reason for the terminology i do believe if i remember my 5th grade history correctly. the northern aggression was political and not physical.

[bjorn_skurj]

true.

 

the way the war was fought in the last years though was with a slash and burn tactic by the union forces aimed at the general populace instead of the more formal types of war with enemy forces shooting it out face to face or encampment to encampment. this is a more modern interpretation of the "northern agression" term that i've heard people use.

 

that the us govt was telling the south to give up its wealth (ie, slaves and the wealth of their production) without compensation is the original reason for the terminology i do believe if i remember my 5th grade history correctly. the northern aggression was political and not physical.

To put down a rebellion, the civilian population has to be intimidated to a point where they no longer rebel. ("Fear is the beginning of wisdom.") And as the plight of the black people didn't really improve that much after the war and the white elites didn't seem to get all that poorer, I don't think the economic impact of emancipation was really that extensive. Not a great deal of wealth shifted.

And it should be noted that nowhere in the north was as pro-Confederate as New York City, as that's where a lot of the cotton money flowed through.

[willywoody]

And as the plight of the black people didn't really improve that much after the war and the white elites didn't seem to get all that poorer, I don't think the economic impact of emancipation was really that extensive. Not a great deal of wealth shifted.

 

pray i don't let one friend of mine read this. he would hunt ya down for saying there was no shift in wealth as he had a great tirade a few months back about the loss of his family's land after their loss of wealth in the war. sure the really rich stayed rich and the poor stayed poor but the middle class also became poor. same as always happens. and by "middle class" i realize there wasn't much of one then. what i mean is that when wealth is leaving a region or a country it effects everyone, less jobs for the poor, loss of jobs for small business owners, etc. just because there wasn't a shift of wealth doesn't mean there wasn't a loss of wealth.

[Analogman]

A great movie.

[bjorn_skurj]

pray i don't let one friend of mine read this. he would hunt ya down for saying there was no shift in wealth as he had a great tirade a few months back about the loss of his family's land after their loss of wealth in the war. sure the really rich stayed rich and the poor stayed poor but the middle class also became poor. same as always happens. and by "middle class" i realize there wasn't much of one then. what i mean is that when wealth is leaving a region or a country it effects everyone, less jobs for the poor, loss of jobs for small business owners, etc. just because there wasn't a shift of wealth doesn't mean there wasn't a loss of wealth.

I would ask your friend how does what happened in 1864-65 really affect him today? Other than giving him something to be pissed off about, which does have a certain objective value.

[Sir Stewart]

A great movie.

If that's the one they showed a lot on VH1 back in the 90s, I agree.

[awatt]

A great book:

 

[Sweet Papa Crimbo]

I would ask your friend how does what happened in 1864-65 really affect him today? Other than giving him something to be pissed off about, which does have a certain objective value.

 

 

And while you're at it, ask your Irish friends how they feel about Oliver Cromwell.

[Sweet Papa Crimbo]

To put down a rebellion, the civilian population has to be intimidated to a point where they no longer rebel. ("Fear is the beginning of wisdom.")

 

 

An enlightened statement.

 

Maybe you need to be the new envoy to Iraq.

[bjorn_skurj]

An enlightened statement.

 

Maybe you need to be the new envoy to Iraq.

I'm not endorsing it, just stating a fact that has been proved by history on numerous occasions. Iraq, like Vietnam, was a mistake for the United States as we are not the kind of country that is willing to do the kinds of things that have to be done to pacify a hostile population.

[Sweet Papa Crimbo]

I'm not endorsing it, just stating a fact that has been proved by history on numerous occasions. Iraq, like Vietnam, was a mistake for the United States as we are not the kind of country that is willing to do the kinds of things that have to be done to pacify a hostile population.

 

 

Except to the south...which, of course, was OK.

[OOO]

Its easier to get away with things when there isn't instant media, widespread photography, etc.