EL the Famous Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Not all immigrants are Mexican. Understood, but would you debate the probabality that they make up the largest %...by a landslide? Whether you agree w/ the current immigration laws or not, there are laws. When someone enters this country and resides in it illegally, THEY are doing so w/ the understanding that there is possbility they could be held accountable for breaking said laws and face the penalties (deportation). This is the risk THEY take. If I don't agree w/ a law, decide to break it and then get caught doing so...I understand that I will face the consequences. So, as a result, there are things I just don't do to put myself and/or my family at risk. I've said earlier that it's obvious some level of reform has become neccessary, but until then: it's their choice to take the risk of deportation in lieu of said 'better life'. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dannygutters Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Hear Hear, Bjor. That was a good post. As I pointed out, the issue is one of rich vs poor. We are living in increalingly income-gapped times, it's easy for the powers that be to pit us agains illegal immigrants as the 'problem' because none of us know any, then on the other side they have an effective army of cheap (untaxed!) workers cast into a system that provides enough for them to keep them down to do the jobs they tells us we 'don't want'. We've all heard the statement "they do the jobs we won't", but why won't we? Well, we don't want them because they pay unfairly and unequally and we can't support orselves or a family on them, they don't offer opportunities for advancement or carrear, they don't offer workplace democracy, among other reasons. Do we believe the immigrants take these jobs because they have a higher tolerance for unpleasant jobs than us? No, they take these jobs because they are the only ones avlailable and since they are illegal they can be blackmailed into a slave wage, enough to continue working but never better themselves. Why do you think we don't have immigration reform? because people don't want it? or because business owners don't want it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OOO Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Why are you being argumentative?? Mr. ... goes into threads and states his (usually) unpopular opinions in a very condescending manner while simultaneously subtly insulting a certain number of people in the thread (i.e. you). He'll throw in some non sequiturs and a bunch of quotes from people you've never heard of (but who he'll imply are THE expert on the subject) and you'll be arguing with him for a week. So don't take it personally. The band (Wilco) actually put out a statement once to say he was being silly and misinformed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Why are you being argumentative?? The people in the OP were from Mexico, and the people in my story (since you decided to drag me in) were from Mexico. Since you seem like a bright kid, here is a lesson in debate... If you are picking an oppressed group, try to find one from the same hemisphere as the people mentioned in the OT. Haiti and Cuba come to mind here... Too late, I called them. Is the title to this post Illegal MEXICAN immigrants or Illegal Immigrants? I was attempting to make a broader point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Mr. ... goes into threads and states his (usually) unpopular opinions in a very condescending manner while simultaneously subtly insulting a certain number of people in the thread (i.e. you). He'll throw in some non sequiturs and a bunch of quotes from people you've never heard of (but who he'll imply are THE expert on the subject) and you'll be arguing with him for a week. So don't take it personally. The band (Wilco) actually put out a statement once to say he was being silly and misinformed. The irony here is that the same could be said for Oblivious to Himself. Sorry, I'll try and dumb it down by quoting some recognizable celebrity types. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the carlos Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 The irony here is that the same could be said for Oblivious to Himself. Sorry, I'll try and dumb it down by quoting some recognizable celebrity types.It doesn't surprise me you have a David Foster Wallace quote as your signature. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
squarewave Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Mr. ... goes into threads and states his (usually) unpopular opinions in a very condescending manner while simultaneously subtly insulting a certain number of people in the thread (i.e. you). He'll throw in some non sequiturs and a bunch of quotes from people you've never heard of (but who he'll imply are THE expert on the subject) and you'll be arguing with him for a week. So don't take it personally. The band (Wilco) actually put out a statement once to say he was being silly and misinformed. Ah... I see.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Ah... I see.... That Quote Link to post Share on other sites
squarewave Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 I was attempting to make a broader point. You were attempting (and successful BTW) at making as ass of yourself. Pulling Darfur out of your ass after being corrected about the "plight" of returning to Mexico was a weak play.As I suggested, keeping the reference of oppressed groups to a region that may actually have relevance to the conversation may have helped. Too late, much like Miss Teen S. Carolina, you brought up Africa out of context. You are disqualified for irrelevance. Know your next move before you make it, it's hard to win when you wing it.Own the game, my friend. How's that for self defense...?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 You were attempting (and successful BTW) at making as ass of yourself. Pulling Darfur out of your ass after being corrected about the "plight" of returning to Mexico was a weak play.As I suggested, keeping the reference of oppressed groups to a region that may actually have relevance to the conversation may have helped. Too late, much like Miss Teen S. Carolina, you brought up Africa out of context. You are disqualified for irrelevance. Know your next move before you make it, it's hard to win when you wing it.Own the game, my friend. How's that for self defense...?? I Quote Link to post Share on other sites
squarewave Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 I’m an EMT – I cannot tell you how many times what you’ve described happens at the scene of an accident – especially when alcohol is involved or in cases where the driver has a suspended license – white drivers even. The driver will attempt to make it appear as though the sober or licensed person was driving. It happens all the time. Who gives a fuck if the driver is White, Mexican, Martian or otherwise? I am only going to say this one more time.... THE WHOLE FUCKING THREAD IS ABOUT IMMIGRANTS FROM MEXICO SMASHING INTO CARS AND DUCKING THE RESPONSIBILITY, YOU JACKASS!! (apologies for the language) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 I am only going to say this one more time.... THE WHOLE FUCKING THREAD IS ABOUT IMMIGRANTS FROM MEXICO SMASHING INTO CARS AND DUCKING THE RESPONSIBILITY, YOU JACKASS!! (apologies for the language) I Quote Link to post Share on other sites
squarewave Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Are you willing to broaden the discussion to involve larger issues? Start your own thread and go off on a rant about Darfur... Did someone escaping the oppression of Darfur hit your car and try to avoid the responsibility?? Call Oprah.Call Bono.Call 60 Minutes. Gp away Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Start your own thread. "My wife has a car wreck. The driver of the other vehicle fails to yield the right of way. After getting out and looking at the damage it's soon apparent the driver and passenger do not speak English. Before the police arrive a woman shows up and asks my wife to tell the police officer that she was driving and not the other women. She says if my wife doesn't lie these ladies will be deported. She states, "My husband is an attorney and he says it will be ok." What would you do?" Go back and read throught the entire thread - you were the first person to mention Mexicans - Jackass!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
squarewave Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 "My wife has a car wreck. The driver of the other vehicle fails to yield the right of way. After getting out and looking at the damage it's soon apparent the driver and passenger do not speak English. Before the police arrive a woman shows up and asks my wife to tell the police officer that she was driving and not the other women. She says if my wife doesn't lie these ladies will be deported. She states, "My husband is an attorney and he says it will be ok." What would you do?" Go back and read throught the entire thread - you were the first person to mention Mexicans - Jackass!!!! I'm sorry... This obviously assumes that they were escaping genocide from Darfur and Sudan. That must be the cross street where the accident occurred. We have a 10-50 on Main Street and Sudan Parkway. The people in my post happened to be from Mexico, which is what you objected to. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Start your own thread and go off on a rant about Darfur... Did someone escaping the oppression of Darfur hit your car and try to avoid the responsibility?? Call Oprah.Call Bono.Call 60 Minutes. Gp away Again Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 I'm sorry... This obviously assumes that they were escaping genocide from Darfur and Sudan. That must be the cross street where the accident occurred. We have a 10-50 on Main Street and Sudan Parkway. The people in my post happened to be from Mexico, which is what you objected to. The OP posed a moral dilemma Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Good Old Neon Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 If I wanted to play on your rules, I would start by pulling new groups out of my ass... - Afghani women oppressed by the Taliban- Kids from Chernobyl and their birth defects- The fish from the vanished Huemules Lake in Chile- Amelia Earhart- Don Knotts- Bobby Brown- The Sons of Ugolino- Lindsay Lohan's little sister Need I go on?? You Quote Link to post Share on other sites
squarewave Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 The OP posed a moral dilemma Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Fine... Here is the story in a politically correct milquetoast version to pacify the ... whoever he is: Our alleged car was parked in the alleged street, in front of our alleged home, on the alleged curb. An alleged car, allegedly occupied by two alleged women allegedly struck our alleged car as it was allegedly parked in front of our alleged home on the alleged curb. An allegedly young alleged woman got out of the allegedly driver's side of the alleged car.Another alleged woman, allegedly older, got out of the allegedly passenger's side of the alleged car. The allegedly older alleged woman allegedly attempted to get into the alleged driver's seat of the alleged car, and allegdly started the alleged engine of the alleged car.... Actually, I am sick of this. Go away. You Quote Link to post Share on other sites
squarewave Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 My story showed that even though I chose to do the "right" thing and stand up for the truth, it didn't matter. That was my case, but if I get a vote on the OPs moral question, I vote for telling the truth. I would have a hard time lying under those circumstances for a good friend, much less a perfect stranger.Unlike lies, integrity and honesty are traits that you cannot fabricate after the fact. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Old Neon Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 My story showed that even though I chose to do the "right" thing and stand up for the truth, it didn't matter. That was my case, but if I get a vote on the OPs moral question, I vote for telling the truth. I would have a hard time lying under those circumstances for a good friend, much less a perfect stranger.Unlike lies, integrity and honesty are traits that you cannot fabricate after the fact. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Good Old Neon Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 This is trolling..... Why are you trying to bait me?? These people = the people who crashed into my car & the people who hit the OP I Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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