Chavez loses bid to become president-for-life

[bobbob1313]

I'm not paying attention ot this thread anymore, but is that dirty guy still doing that thing where he pretends his opinion is fact? I bet he is.

[Good Old Neon]

I'm not paying attention ot this thread anymore, but is that dirty guy still doing that thing where he pretends his opinion is fact? I bet he is.

 

Thanks for the non-constructive feedback, Bob. Your non-post made the thread.

 

Are you going to do that thing where you hop in, make some personal attacks, act shocked and offended when I respond in kind, and then scurry away in mock disgust?

 

Is this going to be one of those times, Bob?

[Guest Golyadkin]

I'm not paying attention ot this thread anymore, but is that dirty guy still doing that thing where he pretends his opinion is fact? I bet he is.

 

I bet he is... I hate dirty people.

 

Doug loves them though.

[bobbob1313]

Thanks for the non-constructive feedback, Bob. Your non-post made the thread.

 

Are you going to do that thing where you hop in, make some personal attacks, act shocked and offended when I respond in kind, and then scurry away in mock disgust?

 

Is this going to be one of those times, Bob?

 

Probably.

 

Now that I read back a few pages, yep, you are doing that thing. That's cool. You are nothing if not consistent.

 

For the record, my name isn't Bob. It's really annoying when you call me "Bob" as if it were my name. You can call me "bob", but not "Bob".

[gogo]

The Government can do three things for me...settle interstate disputes, protect me from foreign enemies and one more... whose got it... come on someone knows the third one

 

anyone?

Build roads? Ensure the safety of your water supply? Deliver the mail?

[bobbob1313]

Build roads? Ensure the safety of your water supply? Deliver the mail?

 

If I'm not mistaken, he is trying to make a reference to the constitution, which only explicitly states a few "real" powers for the government but implies many other.

[gogo]

Anyway, that was my "I'm going to be sorry I ever posted in that thread" post for today, so I'm just going to let it lie.

[bobbob1313]

Anyway, that was my "I'm going to be sorry I ever posted in that thread" post for today, so I'm just going to let it lie.

 

Are you going to do that thing where you hop in, make some personal attacks, act shocked and offended when I respond in kind, and then scurry away in mock disgust? :realmad

[caliber66]

Build roads? Ensure the safety of your water supply? Deliver the mail?

Mail delivery is (at least semi-) privatized.

[gogo]

"Hop in" and "scurry away" are accurate.

[Spawn's dad]

wow. What's going on here? We need a VC version of VH1 behind the music.

[gogo]

Mail delivery is (at least semi-) privatized.

So is providing clean water, but I still don't want to live in a country where the government doesn't at least take some responsibility for those functions.

 

Damn it! OK, now I'm scurrying...

[bjorn_skurj]

As Viktor Frankl said, "the Statue of Liberty on the east coast be complemented by a Statue of Responsibility on the west coast."

Ironic, considering that the East Coast has its shit together more than the West.

 

The Government can do three things for me...settle interstate disputes, protect me from foreign enemies and one more... whose got it... come on someone knows the third one

 

anyone?

I know you are not alone in feeling that way, but we kind of settled this issue 200+ years ago, when the Federalists won.

[caliber66]

So is providing clean water, but I still don't want to live in a country where the government doesn't at least take some responsibility for those functions.

Okay, Leonid.

[Atticus]

There is a huge difference between limiting shallow choices, and removing choices, or say, freedom, entirely. Enforcing restrictions on the sorts of vehicles available for use by everyone, to me, sounds like a fairly meager compromise when one considers the alternatives.

 

isn't that just a matter of perspective though? I mean, who decides what is sha--nevermind

[Sweet Papa Crimbo]

Ironic, considering that the East Coast has its shit together more than the West.

 

 

I know you are not alone in feeling that way, but we kind of settled this issue 200+ years ago, when the Federalists won.

 

 

Actually, it was decided by 2-0 in 1788 and 1865.

[Good Old Neon]

Well I now know the base of your argument, and that is where I disagree. Of course Doug knew it by your name alone.

 

What if I say that our current level of consumption is the only way 300 million people will survive?

 

I would ask you to clarify.

 

Look, it is no longer possible to pretend that nature is something that just happens out there, and that we are merely subject to its forces and its whims. We live in a culture so embedded in denial about human effects of consumption that we seem to now regard the natural wilderness as mere grist for amusement parks. We seem so disconnected to nature or to its delicate balancing acts that we have no regard for the consequence of our continuing intrusions into its innermost workings. We seem to have forgotten our dependence on the elements of the natural world in order to survive, and consequently do not comprehend the disastrous consequences our massive ignorance, interference, and corruption of the natural world around us will likely bring.

 

Instead, we worry about our stocks and mutual funds, ignoring the facts that the world's potable water is disappearing as the world's population increases geometrically. We worry about our property values and our next promotions, never recognizing the degree to which our materialistic culture and our over-consumptive way of life is condemning us and the rest of the world to oblivion. So we fiddle as Rome burns and act as though some technological breakthrough(s) will arrive just in time to save us from the uncertain future we have created for ourselves

[EL the Famous]

Instead, we worry about our stocks and mutual funds, ignoring the facts that the world's potable water is disappearing as the world's population increases geometrically. We worry about our property values and our next promotions, never recognizing the degree to which our materialistic culture and our over-consumptive way of life is condemning us and the rest of the world to oblivion.

 

c'mon. if you're going to say i'm 'materialistic' because i 'worry' about my (more importantly, may family's) financial well-being and that i can't be concerned w/ the enviornment as well...that's nuts and, again, you are making this a clear-cut black/white scenario.

 

even though it may not be to the degree that you want to see and, most likely, where it needs to continue to improve to...are you implying that we are not a more enviornmentally conscious society than we were even 5-10 years ago?! consumption will go up as populations increase...throw some tangible facts at me on exactly how much of that is over-consumption? i'm not saying it isn't happening, but i'd like you to provide some of that empirical, iron-clad, scientific data your so fond of. otherwise, it's just you stating what you think and, contrary to your tone...that ain't gospel.

[Guest Golyadkin]

I would ask you to clarify.

 

 

You mentioned you intend to vote for Ron Paul

[EL the Famous]

if doug was forced to make a decision between saving a petri dish full of embryos and a 1 year old, what would he do?

[Guest Golyadkin]

One year old.

 

But that one year old would then become a slave to Doug for the next 37 1/2 years, which would give me a much needed break.

[caliber66]

One year old.

 

But that one year old would then become a slave to Doug for the next 37 1/2 years, which would give me a much needed break.

Dog years or people years?

[Guest Golyadkin]

Damn it man... I don't know that stuff.

[Good Old Neon]

You want everyone to live in your world.

 

Remember that, "freedom is tolerance." - Doug

 

Abortion is not a choice. A woman that wants to kill her unborn child should be allowed to when it is her choice, but if she loses the child in a drunk driving accident it is murder? Sorry brother, it is one or the other and to me I would rather give a child a fighting chance.

 

Doug and I are not getting into an argument about abortion.

 

Come on, that

[Guest Golyadkin]

Come on, that