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I have no clue what you just said. I'd guess something about name dropping the Velvets?

I probably do underestimate him; I couldn't enjoy U2 until I was in college because as a kid I couldn't get passed Bono wankiness. I do let my opinion of the musician color my opinion of their music. I guess that was asshole-ish. And I apologize, but when it comes to musical debates I generally go for low blows; I'm a very mellow person about all things except for music. Sometimes I start swinging the axes when a debate comes up.

I personally think there's a new Ryan Adams thread every month because he makes a spectacle of himself, with goofy crap like the video that this thread was started to discuss. He's an idiot: making fun of artists he's jealous of, leaving angry messages on rock journalists answering machines, pulling publicity stunts like his 11 albums the other year to get himself back in blogs. He'll put out anything he writes because he thinks it's all gold...when really a lot of it is brown, if you know what I mean. If he could keep it down to an album every two years picking only the very best of his pro

Bobbob is a teenager.

I gave you an edited answer.

Who do I think is in Tweedy's league? No one you'd like if you're ranting about Ryan Adams. But from the past 10 years or so, Jeff Mangum of Neutral Milk Hotel, Elliott Smith (RIP), Lucinda Williams, Thom Yorke and Wayne Coyne come to mind as other songwriter's I respect on the same level as I do Tweedy. Adams doesn't even register for me. I think it's kind of sad that we have to have a new Ryan Adams thread every month as I think he's nothing special...but hey, that's the right of the board; freedom of speech. It's also my right to say I think he's a boring, inconsistent artist, who buys

I always saw this as a follow upto Jeff's uncomfortable domestic sketches from Summer Teeth. To me, it's about comng to grips with the things that once put you off. In retrospect, it seems like the middleground between the violent rejection of such a life "Via Chicago" and the more mellow, acceptance of it in songs like "Either Way". Like the lyrics of a lot of my favorite bands (in particular Wilco) I'm not sure every lyric actually fits together into one narrative, but it's still a very compelling impressionistic kind of work.

If you've ever ranked the wilco albums by release date... If you've ever gone to sleep angry at a friend over a Wilco based argument... If you've met Jeff Tweedy so many times it doesn't even phase you anymore... If you've ever written an angry e-mail to pitchfork over the bashing/ underrating of a Wilco record...

I didn't know the Stones did an album called Let it Be. It's okay, I have some blasphemous statements of my own that I hold back, because I'm terrible with criticism.

Hey, that's still the population of Wyoming.

You might not like me (in fact I'd bet money you don't), but I really really like you right now.

and there we disagree; I prefer artists who I enjoy several albums by. Yeah, the Pixies never made an album as bad as some of The Stones worst records, but The Stones had more great records than the Pixies had records period. Most of my favorite artists The Beatles, Dylan, Stones, Van, Neil, Bowie, The Boss all have at least 5 records I love by them. The Velvet Underground is probably the only band/ artist with less than 5 records that makes my favorites. Marquee Moon is possibly my favorite album of all time; but that doesn't make Television my favorite band. I think it's important to ha

You can have your own personal opinion...but no monkey face, it scares the other animals. I really like Backseat...agree with Crown of Love...I'd also don't care for "Laika" or "Kettles". Something about their lyrics (and sometimes their melodies) feels forced to me... Wasn't this thread supposed to be about Ryan Adams making fun of Wilco though?

I said care about the band 13-15 years after their debut. People certainly care about Wilco.

Wow, that is blasphemy. I think Funeral has quite a few clunkers. I'd take at least YHF and Summer Teeth over Funeral.

Doesn't RIAA require you to pay them to update?

Which is EXACTLY why Wilco is a more well known name imo; they've cemented a reputation over the past 13 years among music fans. What will really count is how many people still care about The Shins 13 years after Oh, Inverted World, or will still care about The Arcade Fire 13 years after Funeral. The only thing I've agreed with you about thus far are Sonic Youth being a bigger pop culture name than Wilco.

3.5 million? Source? Do we have Wilco Worldwide figures?

That's bullshit counting Garden state for The Shins sales, Kyle. You and I both know that doesn't count for them. Yankee Hotel's Gold as is Being There. AGIB is over 300 units. Summer Teeth is at about 275k A.M. at about 200k Dunno for KT and SBS. Wilco's outsold The Shins.

The Flaming Lips I MIGHT buy, but somehow I doubt it. The Shins HAVE NOT outsold Wilco. Wilco's at 2 million in the U.S. The Shins I doubt have crossed 750k for the U.S. The Arcade Fire don't even have a gold record yet, and you're caiming they've outsold them? you have access to soundscan, get the figures.

Eh. It was a reference in Garden State; it wasn't the whole point of Garden State. Most people probably just skimmed over that reference and payed it no mind. If it had influenced that many people, The Shins would have gone gold by now, but they haven't last I checked.

You bring no statistics to back your point. Just your general "Feeling" of the situation. That "feeling" is mostly based on you being a teenager, who mostly knows other teenagers, which is not a big age group for Wilco. I had tons of college professors who were big Wilco fans. The statistics show that Wilco has outsold those bands. Your view of influential is also idiotic. I'm sorry, I don't like to flame, but have you ever heard of The Velvet Underground? You don't have to sell 50 million records to be influential. They sold about 1 million, and are one of the most influential and impo

Absoutely not. The statistics just don't support it. Sonic Youth and The Flaming Lips have both opened for Wilco because Wilco was the bigger drawing name. The Shins and The Arcade Fire are pimples on Wilco's bottom in terms of recognition. Maybe in your age group w/ your friends more people know the other bands, but overall Wilco has more fame than those groups and greater sales.

Eh, bullshit. They've played SNL. They've won grammies. They've sold 2 million albums in the states. Their albums frequently top end of the year lists. Their songs are in VW commercials. They're not an unknown band...They've outsold many well respected niche artists like Sonic Youth, The Flaming Lips, The Arcade Fire, The Shins, etc etc.