Spawn's dad

Biden

If god wanted people to have medical care he'd have made doctors....

oh, wait

What's that?

Ashley Todd 20, was robbed at a cash machine in Bloomfield, Pittsburgh.

The attacker put a knife to her throat and stole $60. But police said he then became angry when he saw a John McCain bumper sticker on her car.

He punched and kicked Miss Todd before using the knife to scratch the letter 'B' into her face.

Miss Todd refused to comment, but friends told the Tribune Review newspaper she was in Pittsburgh volunteering for the McCain-Palin campaign.

A police spokesman said she refused medical treatment after the assault.

Public Information Officer Diane Richard said police cannot substantiate her story, however, and the investigation is ongoing. There was no indication what the B refered to, she said.

The Obama-Biden campaign released a statement, condemning on the attack.

"Our thoughts and prayers are with the young woman for her to make a speedy recovery, and we hope that the person who perpetrated this crime is swiftly apprehended and brought to justice," it said.

The McCain-Palin campaign also released a statement saying, "The McCain campaign is aware of the incident involving one of its volunteers.

"Out of respect, the campaign won't be commenting. The campaign also confirms that Senator McCain and Governor Palin have both spoken to the woman."

See?

Aren't you the one who liked that train wreck of a Lucinda Williams album?

Calm down.

They could just play his comments from the steroid hearings again and again. In fact, had the republicans done that and not run

Palin they'd have won this things hands down.

I never got over him dumping on the Decemberists.

Mickey Mouse! (Donald Duck!)

Mickey Mouse! (Donald Duck!)

Forever let us hold our Obama banners high!*

 

 

 

 

*You've got to be older than dirt to get this reference I think. And such.

I'm hardly old.

'The Deuce'

I hear that in some states if you don't vote early they make you listen to Radiohead.

Where's the "how the hell do you vote before election day" option?

M. Chris just said "black people."

It built some kick ass parks also!

Like Jude said, when we get stuck battling for nothing but the middle ground we end up in a freeze/thaw cycle. Back and forth just a little bit. Rarely awful, but rarely great. Impossible to fix health care or social security or schools or....

we actually agree on quite a lot. what is the alternative to a good start? i think a good start is better than nothing -- or, worse, a deeper dive into the morasses of neocon territory.

You know, sometimes things have to get worse before they get better. If the economy really rock bottoms, or an ice cap disappears you'll see some

real impetus for change.

never to be proven otherwise, of course, but i think that is rash-generalization b.s.

 

edit: p.s. would the world be in equally bad shape in terms of our effects on it? no way.

I don't buy it, sorry. We're fucking the world up by such leaps and bounds that we need a far

larger emergency brake than provided by a change in president. It's a good start but not

nearly enough.

no. i don't think our system is working. that will, realistically, be addressed not by revolution but by evolution, beginning with election of presidents and congresspeople who get it drummed into their skulls by the people who elected them that reform is a must -- or they're out on their butts. if you have a better start in mind, have at it. if the president isn't involved either hands-on or by example, at least for starters, who do you see as leaders in this reform movement? let me know, because i'd like to have a word with them.

I don't think our present system can address the kind of social change I think necessary for the long term survival and safety of the majority of the earth's people and resources. I certainly don't think it can address political reform, as to get to that level these folks need to sell their souls (sorry Maker). So yeah, I'm of the revolution ilk. I'd get going on but I'm not prepared to get arrested until my kid is emancipated.

I'm not sure how people don't see this election as more important than most. The past 8 years have derailed the country. Getting back on track is going to be slow but the two parties have vastly different ideas on how to get there - the war, the economic policy, taxes, international relations, etc. This one sure seems important.

 

Further, assuming the Republicans lose, to have them go back to the drawing board and move away from the extremist ideas of the past 8 years would be yet another beneficial outcome.

 

This election is a bit more important than the last one as we have better candidates and the country is in even worse shape than 2004.

Yeah I don't see it. I think the country would be in equally bad shape, perhaps somewhat different but still bad, had we dealt with Gore or Bush. So now we're correcting to the liberal side of things instead of fixing the mess either of those guys got us in. A lot of this stuff is cyclical and unavoidable anyway. We have prosperity and peace and then that shifts into something else. Now hopefully we'll slide into some peace and prosperity after the economy is done tanking and we manage to withdraw from the middle east. Then that will get effed up and the other guys will take over again. But we don't ever really fix anything because we're too busy jerking around the middle ground. Because to win you need that middle undecided segment. It's a real problem as regards fixing any serious social ills.

how do you think the influence of lobbyists will be removed? do you think whoever is president is completely irrelevant to that goal?

Do you really think our system is working? I don't. We need whole scale election reform. Yes, the president is irrelevant to that goal. The party in power never wants reform because they have the upper hand in that regard.

i got to meet and talk w/ Billy on a handful of occasions during the RNC here last month... the guy is totally amazing, both musically & personally

Why do you hate Wilco?

I don't think any of that elevates this election over any other or the next one. If anything I think they grow less important until there is some reform in place to clean up the process and take our the influence of lobbyists.

what do you think? because it's just fun to vote? or they expect to have nothing better to do on election day? "for real," what do you figure?

We're about to elect a person of color to the white house. Seeing that that actually happens certainly is bringing out people who might not vote otherwise. Social change is a pretty good motivator. Also the economy is kind of in the tank. There are going to be a lot if disappointed people when the economy isn't fixed 6 or 9 months into Obama's first term.

why are so many people rushing to register and to vote?

for real?

I'm always shocked when the Maker admits to liking anything.

C'mon sweetheart - they do.

Go back several threads. Spawn heard that on the radio, looked at me and said 'they say that every

election, don't they?'