Moe_Syzlak

What was your point? The thing about the old dude from Texas?

Actually that was just a point of illustration. My point is that to start drilling places like ANWR now will result in a limited supply increase and that will not happen for many years (it takes a long time to get to peak production). Killing oil industry subsidies will promote more PRIVATE investment in alternative energies and likely provide more relief faster than more domestic drilling. Either way it will get worse before it gets better. Why don't we looks to more long term fixes. There has to be a better reason than simply JUDE's futures investments.

Or, find more "American oil".

I swear my posts are invisible to guys with screen names that start with Ju...

 

I'd love some actual refutation of my points. Being forced to think about my position is something I actually enjoy.

I decided to make a mix of some of my favorites (while still trying to keep a consistent flow and feel):

 

1. The Black Hawk War,... - Sufjan Stevens

2. The Observer - The Flaming Lips

3. Father Father #1 - Super Furry Animal

4. Nothing Is Good Enough - Aimee Mann

5. Oi Frango - Super Furry Animals

6. Oahu - Menomena

7. The Supine - Andrew Bird

8. At The Gazebo - Trey Anastasio

9. Trombone Dixie - The Beach Boys

10. Through The Night Softly - Jim O'Rourke

11. Pink Eye (On My Leg) - Ween

12. Gypsy Space Muffin - Super Furry Animals

13. Double Bass Gorillaz

14. The Wizard Turns On... - The Flaming Lips

15. A Tear For Eddie - Ween

16. An Ecumenical Matter - Loose Fur

17. /=/ - Andrew Bird

18. Prologue - Trey Anastasio

19. Approaching Pavonis Mons By Balloon (Utopia Planitia) - The Flaming Lip

20. (A) Touch Sensitive - Super Furry Animals

21.

So here's my question for you math whizes ... what are the odds of me finding one of those two reserved seats?

Calculating all data and aligning my abacus along the Y axis of my slide rule, I get the following result: not good.

sorry dude. i only saw the link under his name and missed "the plan" one. i got that emailed to me back in june and was going to post it but after reading how this thread was progressing, i figured why bother.

No sweat! I was only joking with you. I'm just glad someone is reading it. This thread has two sides: "save the environment!" and "make money/preserve our way of life" as if there is no middle ground, so I can see why you would figure "why bother."

Thanks... now where did I read this before?

 

http://www.pickensplan.com/

 

it's into wind farms for electric production and very heavy into cng for vehicles but Clean Energy (his fuels company), only operates on a large scale platform/business model for refueling (Transit buses, garbage trucks, and large fleets)

 

Oh yeah, two posts earlier!

 

T. Boone Pickens thinks there is money to made in alternative energies and he has a plan to reduce our dependency on foreign oil that doesn't involve more drilling. Pickens is the 117th richest man in America and made the bulk of his wealth in the oil industry, yet he sees alternative energies as the future, not altruistically, but opportunistically. I need to learn more about him and his plan, but I thought it interesting enough to share.

T. Boone Pickens thinks there is money to made in alternative energies and he has a plan to reduce our dependency on foreign oil that doesn't involve more drilling. Pickens is the 117th richest man in America and made the bulk of his wealth in the oil industry, yet he sees alternative energies as the future, not altruistically, but opportunistically. I need to learn more about him and his plan, but I thought it interesting enough to share.

Tom Rothrock, "Rollin' Crumblin'"

Ha! He's producing my (future) brother-in-law's album. I didn't even know he made his own music.

The Founding Fathers were fighting against a government they felt intruded too much into their day to day lives and taxed them unfairly. Just saying.

So if I'm against the government subsidizing the oil industry to unfairly inhibit free trade, does that mean I am not a liberal? Phew!

I haven't argued against anything, christ. I'm just a proponent of options and people being just a tad realistic with their expectations for any transit system.

 

Oh and rest assured, if gas hits $8 a gollon, I will still be able to afford to "cruise around" at will.

Do you have a lot of money? I must've missed that.

How many people in China are on the Internet debating the use of oil to increase the standard of living to the detriment of mother earth?

 

That's the funny thing about liberals; they don

I don't understand why people can't see the need to utilize the current system in the most economic way possible until we can phase in new systems. We are a nation that has the luxury of low population density, hence cars. Europe does not. Hence they never developed the reliance on the automobile.

 

I see no benefit in limiting the supply of oil to the detriment of our standard of living for ideas that will take decades if not centuries to implement. Last time I heard, light rail, subways, busses cost quite a bit to build and maintain.

 

The environmental argument is secondary to my concerns over our standard of living, rest assured if we don't use "cheap" energy other countries will have no problem using it for us.

Well, even by proponents estimates, peak production wouldn't be realized for many years and would likely do very little to offset the price of crude oil. So, I could ask you, I don't understand why you can't see the need to invest that money in more long term fixes than short-sighted ones when both will require many years to see any signifcant benefit to allow us to go back to our "standard of living."

 

But again, lose the subsidies altogether, and I'm fine with whatever the various industries decide is he most economically feasible.

Mass transit is almost impossible in a spread out city like Miami. It's all infill between 3 major cities.

 

 

You just can't legislate a pedestrian/mass transit-friendly world into being, at least not in this country. If gas prices stay high, people will start to demand such things and they may get listened to, unless some great leap forward occurs in hybrids, thus saving suburbia.

Food for thought. Denver is a pretty spread out city, largely built after the advent of the automobile. As I stated above, subsidies for the oil industry keep fuel prices artificially low. But mass transit is also subsidized.

In chronological order (in case my "finance" -- as H.I. McDunough would say -- sees this )

 

- Ween

- Rockygrass

- YMSB at Red Rocks

- Engagement party

- Folks Fest

- A friend's wedding north of Boston

- ACL Fest

- Cubs World Series

- Cubs World Series Win Celebration

- Getting married

- Telluride Bluegrass Festival

Um, ok.

 

So my second question, if we as a nation sacrifice our standard of living in order to save our planet form impending doom at the hands of humans, do you actually believe that developing industrial nations will make the same sacrifice? If you answer yes, I have some interesting investment opportunities I'd like to discuss with you..

Well it may surprise you to know that I do NOT favor Kyoto (I don't believe it feasible for our country to do in any sort of responsible economic way) and I do favor more of a free market approach to moving off fossil fuels. But that is not because I dismiss the overwhelming scientific evidence that we are f'ing things up. Price at the pump is one issue but, although highly visible to John Q. Public, is not, in my opinion, the biggest issue. The prices for all goods shipped across the country and around the world will continue to rise. If I had my way, we would see more more emphasis on moving away from fossil fuels if we experienced the REAL impacts of the price increases. We are seeing a lot more private investment in alternative energies because of the obvious opportunities as oil prices rise. Get rid of government subsidies on the richest industry in America, the oil industry, and see how much MORE private investment in alternative energies we'd see. The fact is, no matter what, it will get worse before it gets better.

Yeah, because the science on this is undisputed.

Science, by definition, is never undisputed. That doesn't mean there isn't broad consensus. At least by scentists NOT funded by oil companies and the Heritage Foundation.

Speaking for no one but myself, that is more or less the way I took it and what i meant earlier. Saving money doesn't inject money into the economy. When times are tough (as in post 9/11), the smart thing to do is save money, not buy plasma televisions, but the economy NEEDS people to buy those things. [/gross oversimplification]

This should be required in high school. They should require a financial survival skills math class to graduate, balancing check books, compund and simple interest, how your credit score works, how credit cards and loans work, and how mortgages/ real estate financing works.

One more in agreement with this. Unfortunately, I don't think this is what the "masters of the economy" want. We are told to spend, not save. Remember Bush post-9/11? It's the Rich Dad/Poor Dad phenomenon.

Here is a good review of the new iPhone. It sounds to me like the iPhone is (still) the phone to beat for personal use... and even better than before, although the new pricing isn't to my liking. But, as a business user, the Exchange isn't quite up to snuff and the lack of editable Word, Excel and PowerPoiint mean I'd still have to bring my laptop on short trips, something I haven't done in years since I had my Treo 650. So it really comes down (still) to the type of user you are.

The Beach Boys - Let's Go Away for Awhile

The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds

I'm a big fan of Trombone Dixie from the Pet Sounds sessions as well.

What are some of your favorite instrumental tracks from artists that generally incorporate lyrics?

What's that thing do, and would it self destruct if I plugged it into my macbook? I played with the blackberry for an hour in the

verizon store, and wasn't overly impressed with the browser. Granted I was on the pearl which I'd last all on two days with before

it went out the window. I don't know how to type like that. My buddy uses one and loves it :shrug . To get out of my Vz contract would

cost me $100 so while I'd rather keep my $100 I'd just assume land the right phone, on the right network with the right plan.

Well if you;re on a Mac and browsing is important to you, the iPhone seems a no brainer. Compatibility with Outlook is really the biggest reason (other than plan) that I'd go with anything else.

Back on topic... would a just God allow this thread to continue?

But if he believes Bushco is evil, wouldn't he be an appeaser if he said any differently?

The first thing I would ask is do you already use AT&T? If not, are you willing to pay cancellation fees for your current provider to switch? The iPhone is only on AT&T (assuming you're in the U.S.). If you use Outlook, the original iPhone likely won't work very well for you. It doesn't for me and most corporate email. Of course, if you don't use push email, this may not be an issue for you. (BTW, push email means your email comes in to your phone as it is sent/received; your phone doesn't have to go retrieve it on request or schedule.) The new 3G iPhone is supposed to deal with all of this however, but I'm told at a pretty significant cost to battery life. The browser on the iPhone is the best I've seen, so if that matters to you most, the iPhone is probably the best bet. I personally never could get used to the iPhone keyboard and prefer a tactile keyboard as found on the Blackberry. Finally, I'd look at plans. I have Sprint and they have great pricing on data plans. The new AT&T iPhone plan adds up if you use data lot.