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  1. I don't know what the deal is with Philly, but TWEEDY just played at a beautiful venue there earlier this year, if memory serves.

    Ghost is Born released in May '04, first Philly show after release, June '05

    Sky Blue Sky released in May '07, first Philly show after Feb '08

    Whole Love released Sept '11, first non festival Philly show ??????

    Star Wars released summer '15, first Philly show ???????

     

    Yeah, we got an Evening with show.

     

    Funny thing is when Whole Love came out, they did 2 in Vienna, VA and drove right by us to do 3 in NY.  Good to see they are keeping the trend on this tour.  No idea why Tweedy played here but there is no denying there is something about this town they don't like.  I really haven't followed them or listened to them in years, I don't have time to chase them around if they can't come here once in a while. Guess I'm still on the mailing list, when I saw the email with the dates I just laughed.

  2. I've been listening to the non-Who's Next Lifehouse songs, including the ones you sent, dtram, thanks again and I've been enjoying them quite a bit. Some of the mellower ones sound more like Quadrophenia songs than Who's Next songs. I guess I'm saying I can hear the transition into that Quadrophenia kind of songs in these Lifehouse ones.

     

    I also orderd yet another version of Who's Next, the two disc deluxe edition that has the live show on disc 2. It hasn't arrived yet, but I'm looking forward to digesting that and seeing if some of those live versions might sound cool in a Lifehouse sequence.

     

     

    Glad you're enjoying them. My opinion; the stuff on the deluxe edition is cool to hear but doesn't fit with the studio stuff.

     

    As for all of this talk about Rogers voice, I was listening to the Blues to the Bush live CD set from '99 and was actually shocked as to how good Rogers voice sounded then as compared to now. I remembered when it came out thinking he was sounding pretty shot but comparing it to now, he sounds like he was in top form and it's very listenable.

     

    Saw them Saturday night, show was good but I think Pete had a cold so he was having trouble singing too, kind of a double whammy. I'm thinking they should stop after this tour as much as I hate to say it. Now that they have Roger lip synching the screams in Love Reign and Wont Get fooled Again, I think its time. And Roger showing off his belly the way he's been, he's quickly becoming a parody of aging rock stars not knowing it's time. Pains me to say it as the who were my first music love but it's time. Wish Pete would do more solo tours; the '93 tour he did was amazing and he still has a voice when he isnt sick.

  3. Well, by those criteria, I sure don't understand how Public Enemy would make the list either. By the way, did they ever do anything even remotely resembling an actual rock song? Not arguing with anyone, just asking...

    As someone else said, probably should be called a music HOF or something like that. I dont really care for PE or rap in general but from what I know about them, they were hugely influential and deserve inclusion

     

     

    Plus longevity, record sales, etc. I believe they are what use to be called a "people's band". You either get it, or you don't. It may also have something to do with age. I'm an old man, so I like Rush. Of course, I did when I was a young man also.

     

    I'm not a rap fan, but the song Public Enemy did with Anthrax is cool - Bring The Noise.

    I'm an old man too, I liked Rush some in Jr High but they didnt stick with me. Other than a few songs on moving pictures and signals (I was in Jr high when those records came out) i never got it with them, they basically seemed to make the same record over and over. If by being a peoples band you mean that people like them and critics don't, i would agree with that. Funny that Led Zep were hated by critics at first but the critics eventually came around. That never happened, and probably never will with Rush

     

    Rush unquestionably deserve it. Easily the most influential and successful prog rock band ever. Not a whole lot of prog bands are essential, since it's such a niche genre, but they were a major influence on the most recognizable more modern prog bands. I think they're only behind Elvis for consecutive gold albums, and I bet they'd pass him if you didn't count repackaged material.

    Not trying to be argumentative but who did they influence that anyone really cares about? I would also say that Pink Floyd and probably Yes are more influential in Floyd's case and successful in Yes' case.

  4. You really don't think Rush deserves it...I do and I am not a huge fan, but they have done many good things, great songs, longevity same lineup, great live shows even into old age,...Prog rock needs more in...Yes for Sure.  I think it is a good pick for the HOF.

     

    I think Kraftwerk will have their day...

     

    I know I'm going to get blown up here by Rush fans but I always thought a Hall of Fame was supposed to recognize the best of the best.  To make the Hall, I would think an artist would need to be influential in way that makes them essential to Rock, either by having a body of work that is considered essential or influencing bands that go on to be essential.  I dont think Rush qualify on either count.  They seem like nice guys and a lot of people like them and they certainly have longevity but to me that doesnt equal greatness.  There are a lot of players that played a particular sport for a long time; that doesnt mean they deserve to be in a Hall of Fame.

  5. I went through a heavy Lifehouse phase myself last year. I strongly recommend Ritchie Unterberger's book about the Lifehouse/Quadrophenia era Who: http://www.amazon.com/Fooled-Lifehouse-Quadrophenia-Genuine-Jawbone/dp/1906002355. Of all of the fanmade Lifehouse comps I've heard, this one is a favorite: http://crystalsphere1.blogspot.com/2011/05/who-lifehouse-2-cd.html.

     

    Happy listening,

     

    --Mike

    I have that book, its a good one. That link is dead.

  6. I read somewhere, maybe wikipedia or iTunes, that the masters for Who's Next had been lost or destroyed or something. Not that I believe everything I read... :) Glad to hear those demos are pretty fleshed out and high quality, I'll look forward to hearing them.

     

    Thank a lot for the sendspace offer. Glad to get your stoke going for the show!

    That seems unlikely but i guess it's possible. The thing with the Townshend demos is he kept the bass and drums pretty simple knowing they would be fully fleshed out. The guitar and piano work and vocals are all pretty developed. The zip file has Greyhound, Mary and Teenage Wasteland, wasnt sure if you had it. When I was a boy is it's own download. Enjoy!

     

    http://www.sendspace.com/filegroup/XNZctJ2qjf4xM3AFIskslw

     

     

    I went to the show last night in Chicago, and they rocked. It was better than I expected. If you are going, you will not be disappointed. In addition, be sure to get there to catch the opening band (Vintage Trouble). Great night all around.

    Thanks, cant wait. Will be seeing it in AC in feb on my bday too, great present.

  7. I picked up all those songs except Greyhound Girl, Mary and When I Was A Boy. Its really too bad the Who's versions of those first two are lost. I'm not really that excited by Townshend demos, especially if they were recorded years later than '71, but I'm not really clear on when they were. I would like to hear When I Was A Boy, but its only available on Who's Missing and on Amazon, you can't buy the individual tracks as MP3. I'm not gonna buy that whole album for one song.

     

    I know what you mean about the NYC sessions with Kit Lambert vs. the Olympic London sessions with Glyn Johns. In general, the later are stronger. I do prefer the NYC version of Pure and Easy, though. The Olympic version has a better guitar solo and lead guitar is more prominent in the mix, but the rest of the track sounds less aggressive to me than the NYC version. The Townshend lead vocal version of Love Ain't For Keeping is also really good. Which session was that recorded at?

     

     

    The Townshend demos are actually pretty well produced with all the instrumentation.  Mary is definitely '70-'71 vintage and I'm pretty sure Greyhound girl is too and I dont think Roger would have sung Greyhound any better than Pete, it's a keeper.  Glyn Johns himself mentions that PT had some of the most amazing demo's he's ever heard.  I'm not sure if any Who versions of these are lost or just not released.  Time is Passing was found for the Odds & Sods reissue, who knows what else is in there.

     

    I'm pretty sure the Townshend vocal version of Love Ain't For Keeping was from the same Record Plant sessions as all of the other Kit recorded stuff but I'd have to check.  This is definitely a YMMV zone here, I prefer everything recorded by Johns over the Lambert stuff, just sounds more vibrant to me.

     

    In the interest of complete accuracy, the versions of Pure and Easy and Wont Get Fooled recorded by Johns were actually recorded at Stargroves (which I'm pretty sure was Mick Jagger's house) on the Rolling Stones mobile studio.  The Who liked the results of those sessions so much they then went with John's to Olympic to record the rest.

     

    Later tonight when I'm home I'll put Mary, Greyhound Girl and When I was a Boy on sendspace for you.

     

    Thanks for getting me into this, I needed something to jump start a who mood for me with the Quad show coming up; this did the trick.

  8. Awesome! Thanks so much, I knew some Who scholar would have an informed opinion. I know less about Lifehouse than you, but its clear that the project evolved over time and took many forms. Given that, I don't have a problem including stuff The Who recorded in 1972 if Pete says they belong on Lifehouse. And maybe Teenage Wasteland (which I've never heard, just going off of your description) does belong since on Townshend's rock operas, musical riffs and themes would often re-occur throughout the piece?

     

    Regardless, thanks for your input, I'm gonna have a lot of fun going through these songs and coming up with different versions of this enigmatic Lifehouse project.

     

    IMO (and in opposition to Ira Robbins) the Who's Next period was The Who's strongest for songwriting and studio recording. Anything that was recorded between Tommy and Quadrophenia is stuff that I want to hear.

     

    Thanks again!

     

    My pleasure. You're right, you can pretty much make Lifehouse anything you want it to be as Pete has a habit being inconsistent in interviews and his own story so its hard to really say what would go where. I happen to love the sound of those Olympic sessions. After all those years of being criminally represented on record by Kit Lambert, they just sound like an uncaged animal in those sessions. And it's funny, Glyn Johns recorded the sessions at Olympic in '72 but they just dont have the same feel.

     

    As for Teenage Wasteland, it is incredibly interesting to listen to but I dont think the who ever recorded it or even tried it and I think once Pete merged it with the instrumental Baba he was done with it. That being said, when he did those lifehouse shows in 2000, he used it so who knows. Amazon has the DVD which is worthwhile: http://www.amazon.com/Pete-Townshend-Music-Lifehouse/dp/B00005UQ86/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1354061381&sr=8-1&keywords=pete+townshend+lifehouse

     

    But I think the 2 CD set of the whole show is out of print. I have both :-)

     

    I do agree that the '70 to '72 period is Pete's strongest but I'd go a year longer and include Quad, cant wait to see it in a few weeks.

     

    If you need any of the tracks, let me know.

  9. I've been in a Who phase recently, getting ready for the show in Feb. I'm again fascinated with the Lifehouse project and wanted to hear from some of the Who fans here their opinion about it.

     

    Wikipedia lists the following as one of Townshend's sequences for the album:

    Side 1 (Ray's Story)

     

    "Teenage Wasteland" (Lifehouse Chronicles)[3]

    "Going Mobile" (Who's Next)

    "Baba O'Riley" (Who's Next)

    "Time Is Passing" (Odds and Sods) and (Who Came First)

    "Love Ain't for Keeping" (Who's Next)

     

    Side 2 (Mary/Jumbo's Story)

     

    "Bargain" (Who's Next)

    "Too Much of Anything" (Odds & Sods) and (Who's Next (1995 reissue) )

    "Greyhound Girl" (Lifehouse Chronicles) (Believed to have been recorded by The Who in 1971)

    "Mary" (Lifehouse Chronicles ) (Recorded by The Who in 1971)

    "Behind Blue Eyes" (Who's Next)

     

    Side 3 (Bobby's Story)

     

    "I Don't Even Know Myself" (Who's Missing and Who's Next (1995 reissue) )

    "Put the Money Down" (Odds & Sods)

    "Pure and Easy" (Who Came First, Odds and Sods, and Who's Next (1995 reissue) )

    "Getting in Tune" (Who's Next)

    "Let's See Action (Nothing is Everything)" (Who Came First and Hooligans)

     

    Side 4 (The Lifehouse Concert)

     

    "Relay" (Hooligans)

    "Join Together" (Hooligans)

    "Won't Get Fooled Again" (Who's Next)

    "The Song Is Over" (Who's Next)

     

    I'd like to create a version of the Lifehouse album myself, using as many early 70s Who performances (as opposed to Townshend solo ones) as possible. For example, I have two Who versions of Pure and Easy, one from the reissued Who's Next and another from a double disc greatest hits comp. I just need to decide which one I like better (leaning towards the Who's Next reissue version). But what about some of these other songs?

     

    Any suggestions on specific recordings or favorite versions of these songs that I ought to get would be appreciated.

     

    A topic near and dear to my heart. I have done this many times although I have never seen that wiki entry that splits it into 4 pieces like that although that sequencing is more or less what I have done in the past.

     

    The issue that I always run into is what would have been on Lifehouse had it come out in its time, summer of '71. If that is going to be the criteria of your comp, then Put The Money Down, Relay and Join Together are automatically out as they were recorded in Spring '72. I wish the Lifehouse Chronicles had dates on the demos because it is unclear, and I have never seen definitive dates of when they were demoed. My hunch is that they were post Who's Next and may or may not have originally had anything to do with Lifehouse. They may have been part of the Rock is Dead, Long Live Rock story that Pete wrote that evolved into Quad. We know that Long Live Rock and Is It In My Head were part of that and given that those 2 songs along with 3 above were recorded in Spring '72, I think that is plausible. I also dont think I Dont Even Know Myself had anything to do with Lifehouse as it writing and original recording was pre-Lifehouse, It was supposed to be on that EP i believe

     

    We also know that the one Entwhistle song written for Lifehouse was When I Was A Boy so I believe that should go on any Lifehouse comp.

     

    My criteria is, if it was recorded by the Who at Olympic by Glyn Johns, it goes on the comp. I do not like the Kit Lambert versions at all. My only exemptions are My Wife, i dont include that even though it was recorded at Olympic because it had nothing to do with Lifehouse. I add Mary and Greyhound girl because they are clearly Lifehouse tunes and in the case of Greyhound Girl, one of the great lost Townshend songs imo. I leave out Teenage Wasteland because it was clear that Townshend combined the instrumental Baba and Teenage Wasteland and created something much greater. No way would TW have been recorded by the Who once the fully formed Baba was done.

     

    So my list goes:

     

    "Baba O'Riley" (Who's Next)

    "Going Mobile" (Who's Next)

    "Time Is Passing" (Odds and Sods) Olympic Verison, this version is the best imo

    "Love Ain't for Keeping" (Who's Next)

    "Bargain" (Who's Next)

    "Too Much of Anything" (Odds & Sods) Olympic verison

    "Greyhound Girl" (Lifehouse Chronicles)

    "Mary" (Lifehouse Chronicles )

    "When I Was A Boy (Who's Missing) Olympic Version

    "Behind Blue Eyes" (Who's Next)

    "Pure and Easy" (Odds and Sods) Olympic Version

    "Getting in Tune" (Who's Next)

    "Let's See Action (Nothing is Everything)" (Hooligans) Olympic Version

    "Won't Get Fooled Again" (Who's Next)

    "The Song Is Over" (Who's Next)

  10. Who had September 26th in the "which day will Mike Love fuck everything up?" pool: http://www.dailymail...-Mike-Love.html

     

    You just can't make this stuff up. All the signs and evidence pointed towards Mike being a monumental, world class asshole. You heard him plead his case over the years, you knew it smelled but you wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, then he does this. Case closed.

     

    And why Brian or Al would have any interest in being reinstated is beyond me. All they need to do is point their fingers and say, see, we told you, and be done with him.

     

    At least they were on good enough terms long enough to get the Smile box out.

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    just to be clear, I'd be ok with this. I get your point, but REM has made some tremendous crap since Out of Time.

     

    I think tremendous crap is a bit of an overstatement. Arguing taste and likes and dislikes is a pointless exercise but I do believe a lot of the negative attitude towards the later records is due to perception for a lot personal reasons people may have.

     

    Rolling Stone began their review of Out of Time, and I'm paraphrasing, by saying that while R.E.M. will probably never be as exciting as they once were, that they are constantly maturing as songwriters. I think that was true. Was there a period between Hifi and ATS that the records were too long? I think so, but I still think there were 45 minutes on each (ATS excluded) that were excellent. And the last 2, Accelerate and especially Collapse, really were the "return to form" they were touted as. I think Collapse is an incredible collection of songs and was a great way to go out.

     

     

     

     

     

     

  12. Crow Daddy Magnus® I understand your disdain, given the many mistakes and the various events surrounding the band's history.

     

    And while I understand your disdain I don't have to relate to it.

     

     

    p.s. It's the first anniversary of R.E.M.'s disbandment.

    I guess i don't understand why people get to the point of feeling like this in general. Not to pick on Crow Daddy because a lot of people feel similarly to him but at the end of the day, it's just music. Bands evolve. The same group of folks that point out supposed mistakes that bands make would likely be the first to criticize if every record sounded like Murmur. I think R.E.M. followed their muse consistently during their history to varying degrees of success. I think to dismiss any period of their history is to miss out on a lot of great music.

     

    At the end of the day, for me, thats all that matters. In the last week I've listened to Murmur, Reckoning, Fables, Out of Time, Monster, Hifi, Up, Accelerate, Collapse and the 3 new songs on Part Lies... and thoroughly enjoyed them all. At this point, a year after break up, all thats left is the music. To my ears it was a pretty great and consistent catalog. Any disappointments from along the way of what I maybe wanted at the time of release, Out of Time being acoustic based, Monster being too glam and not enough like document of pageant etc are gone and what is left are to me, great songs. If different periods don't work for different people, thats fair, I guess I just don't understand the disdain part.

  13. Can't resist. Nightswimming is the best, everything else in no particular order:

    Nightswimming
    Perfect Circle
    Life and how to Live it
    Wolves
    Flowers Of Guatemala
    So. Central Rain
    Driver 8
    Begin The Begin
    I Believe
    King Of Birds
    Disturbance At The Heron House
    Hairshirt
    You Are The Everything
    Belong
    Me In Honey
    Man On The Moon
    Electrolite
    Undertow
    It Happened Today
    Sad Professor

    Havent listened to R.E.M. in a while. Putting together this list is getting me in the mood to dive into the catalog for a few weeks. If you haven't heard it, check out this Beat Happening cover they put on the Hollow man single. Just tremendous. Has kind of a VU feel, love the slow build.:

     

  14. On a springsteen kick after just having spent over 7 hours over 2 nights seeing him in philly last week. The saturday show was phenomenal, 3:45 with 33 songs. The 5 song darkness beginning on night 2 with the acoustic factory opening on labor day was pretty special too. I'll go 10 songs that i love hearing live:

     

    Thundercrack

    Trapped

     

    Wished like hell for both of 'em and got neither

     

    Badlands

    The rising

    No surrender

    Jungleland

    Rosalita

    Jersey girl

    Kittys back

    Because the night

     

    And i think the new record is really great. That 3 song set of we take care, wrecking ball and death to my hometown is great.

     

     

  15. Hey Boston Proper seen them but 1x since 08

    Anytime I want to see them recently I need to to Drive Outta State this summer 2 diff States

    Philly hang in there//// as we Springsteen Fans say ; Faith will be Rewarded (eventually)

     

    Thats a joke. We got you beat by double, a whole 2 shows, there was nothing proper about saturday.

     

    As for Bruce, got 2 GA pit for both the labor day weekend shows here at CBP. Can't wait, hopefully he is still in the mood to approach the 3 hour 45 minute marathons he's been doing in europe but it doesn't matter, he's on fire on this tour, can't wait.

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    try being in australia when you get them every 4 years or so... for that mattter any band you like every 4 year or so.

     

    I think philly is a key market for wilco.. it's big with bands like pearl jam, MMJ etc and wilco is no different but the band doesn't seem to think that way.. They would almost sell out the mann center or 2 nights at the electric factory no trouble. I always thought it was a venue issue but that's just an excuse i guess. I saw them in wilmington in 2009 but that was my last full wilco show.. need to see them proper soon!

     

    Obviously people in places like austrailia or any small town in the US for that matter have to deal with not many shows or travel etc. but that's the way it goes, you live in a small town, you don't get the big names. It's just frustrating that this particular band, one of my favs in their prime choose to drive by us all the time. It's funny how many bands have had such longevity here. The Dead played the spectrum more times than any venue, Bruce and Billy Joel have banners in the wells Fargo center commerating over 50 philly sell outs for each. Just sucks that this particular band doesn't share the enthusiasm.

  17. I can understand being bummed the band hasn't played a full show in Philly in a couple of years. (The Evening With show was great, though!) But as for last night's show, I can't complain. It was a festival, so the setlist is what it is. Wilco had a 75-minute slot; I'm not sure how much leeway bands have to demand fest sets of a certain length. Jeff joked about trying to fit as many songs in as they could, like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. They played a lot of the better-known songs that get enthusiastic reactions from a wide range of people, heavy on the album they're promoting, and it was cool that they threw in "She's a Jar." I don't think I could ever get tired of "Laminated Cat." I didn't notice songs sounding particularly rushed, but I may just be unobservant.

     

    I think the majority of the crowd was there because of Wilco, but I don't think I'd agree that there were only "a splattering" (EW!) of Dr. Dog and Avett Brothers fan. Dr. Dog is from Philly, and everyone around me seemed to be into their set - lots of people dancing and singing along. As for the Avett Brothers, the front rail appeared even more crammed full than it was for Wilco, and there were lots of people shouting song requests. I enjoyed both bands, but I always love the live energy of the Avetts, and find their sincerity endearing. I do wish Wilco could have played a longer set, but I'm not sorry the other bands had longish sets themselves.

     

    Never heard a note of the Avett's before last night, thought they were terrific, best thing to come out of the night.

     

    My beef is not that they were squeezed by festival constraints, its the chronic short changing philly gets by that band. If they did a 2 night run in the fall and came back for the festival in the summer, no problem. I thought we turned a corner getting that evening with show but it seems we didn't. This has been a long simmering issue with me that just boiled over last night. I just can't understand why NY gets 5 shows, DC gets 3, philly gets 90 minutes. The only answer i can come up with is they don't see this as a key market for them which is fine, I'll adjust the time I devote to them. I know I must come off as being a baby but I have 2 young kids, cannot travel like a i used to and would like to see one of my favorite bands do some of the killer sets they do without having to plan a road trip all of the time.

     

    And I really did feel the show felt rushed. Songs like Impossible Germany and Handshake Drugs just felt like they were getting through them just to get to the next 2.

     

    I ended up leaving before the encore because Jeff said there would be no encore, at least I caught the first ferry.

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    My brother-in-law and his wife live in Philly and they were also complaining that the shows sell out in minutes and they've never had a chance to see Wilco there. I told him I'd hook him up with Frontgate next time, but if it were me I'd just drive to DC to see those shows. A friend of mine once advised me never to miss the opportunity for a Wilco show, and I have to say that's advice I now live by!

     

    I have, and i like traveling to shows but I'm at the point now where I'm like, fuck it. It nice to have some home games too. I used to live by that advice but not anymore.

  19. My frustration level with these guys is sky high. Whole love released in September 2011. They finally get a around to Philly 10 months after it comes out and we get less than an hour and a half. Meantime, dc metro gets 3 full shows, ny gets 5, they'll end up doing 4 in berkley and the list goes on.

     

    This isn't a new thing either. Ghost comes out in may '04, they make it to philly in june '05. SBS comes comes out in may '07, they don't get around to here until feb '08. Its not like philly is some small market that doesn't support music either. Every wilco show here sells out in 5 minutes and the crowds are always great but they've never done a nice 2 night stand here, just one and done eveytime, this time we get a 1/2 and done.

     

    I thought last nights show sucked pacing wise, no flow, just trying to cram as many songs in to a small slot. It was actually funny seeing the roadies run out after each song for the quick guitar change.

     

    Edit-PS, introducing box full of letters, Jeff says, "here's a song from our first record" and the crowd let's out a big cheer and Jeff goes, "really?" like he's shocked we know it. Yes Jeff, we may not be Chicago or NY or DC but we do know your stuff.

  20. Saw night 1 in philly (supposed to go to night 2 but personal stuff prevented it) and it was one of the best paced, energetic, emotional shows I've ever been to. It's cliche, but like wine, this band is getting better and better (and bigger and bigger.) A couple of nice recordings of the 2 shows on dime (Bakerstuff version on night 2 and Tapehead 2 version of night 1 are my recommendations.) Just finishing up night 2 right now and the 14 minute Kitty's back is great as is the 12 minute Thundercrack, sick I missed that one.

     

    Maybe the best the show I've ever been to where I didn't know close to half the tunes, really hadn't heard a lick of the new record expect we take care once. Can't speak to the record but the new tunes come off great live.

     

    Go see this show if you can, and check out the video on you tube of Bruce chugging half a beer in the encore of night one about 6 rows up one of the sections during raise your hand, great stuff.

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