dtram

 

 

I do have a Miller source - it looks like he used Healy's mix, so I guess I should be set - thanks.

 

I am with you Vacant Horizon - a highlight set from 92-95 would be great. The So Many Roads set has some of the new songs on Disc 5, but an

 

expanded set would be a nice edition. I wonder how it will sell, though. I don't think the "why don't they put out full shows" crowd would be too upset with a "highlight" set of 92-95 songs.

No problem. maybe youve seen it but there is a92-95 highlight torrent floating around as well.

 

 

Do you know where the utlramix of the 4/15/90 show is still seeding at?

I got it at bt.etree.org

If no one is seeding, let me know.

my bad. this is the best

 

one last one. i swear this is the best version ever of over half the songs. including althea, terrapin, cassidy and even throwing stones. this is the ultimate GD. do yourself a favor and stream this

 

http://www.archive.o...8293.sbeok.shnf

 

Cap Center Landover Md, 03.15.1990

Grateful Dead Live at Capital Centre on 1990-03-15

Jack Straw, Sugaree, Easy To Love You, Walkin' Blues, Althea, Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues, Tennessee Jed, Cassidy, Don't Ease Me In

China Cat Sunflower-> I Know You Rider, Samson & Delilah, Terrapin Station-> Jam-> Drums-> Jam-> I Will Take You Home-> Wharf Rat-> Throwing Stones-> Not Fade Away, E: Revolution

 

I somehow got the best seats i ever had for an indoor show. 5th row in front of brent. it was phils bday and i was surrounded by GD family and some DC big wigs and so forth. i had a fat head full of acid and when they blasted into jack straw the top about came off. its was pure bliss from then until the end. a 19 year olds dream

I happen to love this show, you were lucky to have attended. Its a go to show for me if im just looking for some dead to put on and dont want to think too hard about what to listen to. That jack straw would be an all timer if bobby didnt fuck upthe words. Almost perfect first set

There is an amazing ultramix out there on the torrent sites.

Thanks a million, that 12/12 rip sounds great. Love that Weight. Only regret is that John didn't take the "Crazy Chester.." verse. My guess is he could do a dead on Danko right there.

"Brian Wilson has an incredible band. We're using most of his band. And we've got [current Beach Boys touring] drummer John Cowsill and our guitarist, Scott Totten. We're kind of blending things together. I think, musically, it's going to be incredible," Love said."

This to me is the best decision they could have made. Brian has been trotting out these hits for the last 13 years so the fact that Mike Bruce and Al will be there doesn't make much of a difference to me but at least his band will be there and as nostalgia trips go, this will be kinda cool.

Even as a serious Deadhead, I'm not sure I could come up with 60 or 70, but I could sure come up with a bunch: Sugar Magnolia, Truckin', Stella Blue, Box Of Rain, Ripple, Brokedown Palace, Terrapin Station, Cassidy, West LA Fadeaway, Throwin' Stones, Touch Of Grey, Scarlet Begonias, Fire On The Mountain, Chinacat Sunflower, Jack Straw...hmm, come to think of it, I bet I could come up with 70 if I looked at the entire catalog.

Eyes of the world, Mississippi Half Step, Ship of Fools, China Doll, US Blues, Estimated Prophet, Franklins Tower, Craxy fingers, Music Never Stopped, Shakedown Street, I Need A Miracle, Althea, Hell in a Bucket, Black Muddy River, Foolish Heart, Standing on the Moon, So Many Roads, Tennessee Jed, Brown Eyed Women, He's Gone, Cumberland Blues, Uncle Johns Band, Dire Wolf, High Time, Casey Jones, Attics of my Life, Candyman, Friend of the Devil, St Stephen, The Eleven, Dark Star, I'll inlcude the stuff from Ace and Garcia since they were effectively Dead records anyway, Greatest Story, Playin in the Band, Black Throated Wind, Looks Like Rain, Mexical Blues, One More Sat Night, Birdsong, Deal, Sugaree, The Wheel, Loser, To Lay Me Down, Bertha, Wharf Rat, The Other One. That's 46 right there coupled with the 15 or so listed above is an easy 60 and I'm sure I missed some.

That is an undeniable body of great songs by any measure. You dont have to like them but dont diminish them.

 

 

i would probably violate many VC rules by replying how i would like to this statement.

Go for it. I do want to clarify that statement to say i don't think they that have THE 60-70 greatest songs ever, just that their best songs are up there with the best songs in the genre.

Funny that with the break up of R.E.M. I've been thinking about this a little bit. IMO, no American band has a stronger collection of records than they do, and it really isn't a contest. But there are things about the Dead that I think puts them over the top.

First, they wrote 60-70 of the greatest songs in rock music history. If Hunter took an active role as a playing member and was more visible to the public at large, he'd be regarded as up there with greats, Dylan, etc and I don't think that's hyperbole. If Jerry has wrote those lyrics, he'd be held up even higher than he already is, if that's possible. And Barlow was no slouch himself, Cassidy is up there with Hunters best stuff.

Second, I'm not sure there's an American band who covered the same breadth of styles that the Dead did. Rock, country, folk, jazz, blues, even a little funk, they could move between styles seamlessly and effectively. When it comes to "American Music," they covered it all in a way no other band did. The shows with Branford Marsalis stand out especially as to how versatile their music was and how well they could integrate with other musicians.

Third, as a live entity, 2,300 + shows is just an amazing number. It's easy to miss this fact since their tours turned into traveling carnivals but they never stopped evolving, never stopped writing new music and never turned into a nostalgia act, despite what one might think from the crowd outside. I think the dead gets overlooked for that very reason. People see the fans and the jamming and think it's just an excuse to party (and for some fans I sure it was) but it was obviously more than that to the band and i think they will be more appreciated as people come to the music who never experienced the scene and only hear the music and appreciate for just that. The volume of quality live recordings, both official and shared doesn't hurt either.

Lastly, they were an amazing cover band, effectively making other peoples songs their own. Many bands wrote great songs, none incorporated covers as effectively as they did.

Taken as a whole and respecting all of the other bands mentioned, no one did it like the Dead and they were the best.

As a last note, if the question is greatest rock era composer arranger producer, it's not even close: Brian Wilson

I'm fairly certain if time and money was unlimited that I would enjoy the pet sounds sessions immensely.

You would, no doubt. Not sure about needing unlimited time as its only really a disk and a half of sessions but you would spend a lot of time with those disks.

Lengthy and interesting interview with Michael Stipe from Salon.com on the end of the band

 

http://www.salon.com/2011/11/14/michael_stipe_why_r_e_m_called_it_a_day/

That's a good one, thanks.

Yes, very cool. Did it occur to anyone else while watching how cool it would be if stipe and eno colaborated on a record?

The impression I get from reading this interview is the Michael Stipe is an arrogant, unhappy person.

 

Actually, it reinforces that impression.

Read this, total opposite. Maybe he was off his meds.

http://thequietus.com/articles/07351-michael-stipe-s-last-stand-an-r-e-m-exit-interview

Yeah, good move, you should take your mind off of how they have wronged you and allow us continue to pay homage.

Yes. Fans who have been loyal to their cause hope for a reunion sometime in the near or the distant future. News like this just dashes hopes.

A band breaking up should dash your hopes anyway, you don't really need them to say it. If they wanted to tour again, they wouldn't have broken up. I'm assuming you never saw them which is ashame but i think you need to move past anger and just accept that they were around for a long time and now they are not.

Reason why I hate this person, just a few months ago I revered him.

 

REM interview: 'There's a good chance we'll never play together again'

http://www.guardian....e?newsfeed=true

So you hate him because REM won't play again?

But where I feel the Beach Boys sound really takes over is the middle suite and my favorite part of the album climaxing with Surf's Up. As talented as the Wondermints are, I just can't help but shake the image of the New Mainstreet Singers from Christopher Guest's brilliant A Mighty Wind from my head with them. Everything is so cheery it sounds like a toothpaste commercial. Brian and Carl's voices circa 66-67 are just a little better suited to handle the heavier stuff on the record. And I like the sound of the production on the wrecking Crew stuff a lot more. But this album's fluidity is one it's strengths every listener can make their own "definitive versions." That is part of it's legacy.

 

I don't know if this is greatest album ever made I don't even know if it's better than Pet Sounds, but there isn't an album I like listening to more than Smile maybe a few I like as much as, but nothing tops it.

 

--Mike

If i am reading you right, you like the BB version of the 2nd movement because you like their vocals better but 2 of songs don't really have vocals, at least a lead vocal. That's why i like BWPS better. The songs that had vocals are still great and the ones that didn't got finished.

My stance up until 2004 was that PS was the best record ever released but what we had from smile was better. IMO, the finished version topped what we had, therefore BWPS = greatest album ever. I agree, i never get tired hearing it.

I've heard it, but I don't own it. You can't beat Hal Blaine's drumming. I would not do this every band, but when it comes to The Beach Boys, I can actually sit and listen to all the out takes and fragments.

 

Example - Walk On By (on the Friends/20/20 two-fer). It is 55 seconds of good stuff.

I agree about the sessions, there isn't a group that i have ever come close to listening to this amount of outtakes. As for your comment above about liking what you like, i agree but i don't think you're giving 2004 it's due. His band is unreal and do an amazing job on the tracks, on par with the wrecking crew, its almost hard to distinguish. They are all really good musicians. When you add the vocals and its completion/sequencing, that's what i like about it and why i enjoy it. I will say that i prefer the version of vega tables on the box, they threw everything but the sink in on that one.

As for Hal Blaine, i was surprised reading the liner notes of the box that jim gordon played drums on a lot of those sessions, maybe more than hal.

I always liked it. A lot. But listening to it recently, it finally took me away to someplace else, like I always hoped that it would.

Curious to hear the finished BB recordings now, but not enough to drop a shitton of cash.

Not while the Brian Wilson release is so marvelous.

I agree with this. I always thought BWPS was fantastic. I've spent a lot of time with the box this last week but gave BWPS a spin today and for me, it really is the go to Smile. Reasons:

it's finished. Even as good as the BB version is, the last 10 yards or so that they took the ball on this to finish it really make such a difference and that difference really is in the lead vocals on songs that didn't have them. Putting the '66 lyrics onto Worms and creating lyrics for Child, Look, Holidays and dada. You knew all these years that listening the vocal less BB versions that these songs would be great but having the vocals makes such a difference.

It's more organic. The songs for me at least flow so much better. I think it's because they were recorded all at once and not in pieces to be spliced together.

Now, would I prefer Brians voice of 66-67 to 2004? Yes, but its not like his 2004 voice is bad, it just isn't 66. As for not having the rest of the boys, his band is so good its a wash for me. It's crazy how close they get on Our Prayer.

A couple of things have also been clearer to me. Brian wasn't close to having Smile done and if he did whip into shape, what would the rest of the boys done with it live? It's not like they were the Beatles and had collectively decided to stay off the road and give no consideration to being able to play the stuff live. I can't imagine the BB's trying to play this thing live, they'd have an easier time playing Pepper. And to that point, for as touted as pepper was, that was pedestrian compared to what Brian had created.

Also, I think Brian was right, this thing was a little too ahead of its time in 66. When you listen to the instrumental tracks, it was just crazy how advanced this thing was.

Anyway, we have the best of both worlds, a finished Smile and this box. And as for dropping a shit ton of cash. If you ever do it, this is the place.

 

 

Anyone that can stand ATS have an alternate tracklisting they think makes it more enjoyable for them?

 

Any plans for an REM b-sides collection? I think all these deluxe reissues have been ignoring the b-sides for some stupid reason. Is there even much out there?

To me, ATS has 4, maybe 5 good songs. That final three, Electron Blue and maybe Boy In The Well. The rest is a mess.

As for b-sides, by my count (my iTunes REM b-sides folder) I have about 250 tracks on there that are officially released, non album tracks. They could be b-sides, contributions to soundtracks or tributes, fan club singles or bonus tracks to re-issues or greatest hits. They aren't all unique songs, theres at least 3 live country feedbacks, but to answer your question, theres a lot out there.

I would guestimate theres 150 or so unique songs. I for one hope there isn't some official release, I like the fact that its a challenge to compile them all.

Wilco is well on the way, I have about 98 official non-album tracks in my Wilco folder.

I would have wanted them to tour behind Collapse into Now. They didn't want to. I'm angry because they didn't tour, they denied me the chance to see them in concert. That's what a band does, they put records out to market, they play live shows (look at Wilco touring Europe today).

 

Of course they kept mentioning various reasons why they didn't tour but the fact remains they didn't tour. And I'm not talking of a grandiose tour, it could have been only a few dates here and there, I would have travelled just to see them.

 

The three of them were rarely seen together during the year. They appeared in those Hansa studio sessions and in photo sessions with Anton Corbjin, but the band as a unit, I don't remember seeing the three of them together in television, like they did for Accelerate. Which makes me think that they were technically separated long before that September 21st announcement.

 

(And I'm angry because various people linked to R.E.M., in the months previous to the disbandment, kept saying that they wouldn't split).

 

Of course they leave behind an enormous musical legacy, no discussion there. But it's hard for me to assimilate the fact that the band doesn't exist anymore, that they won't tour ever again, that the excitement of a new upcoming album is over.

 

Probably I am being selfish ("I couldn't see them in concert") and things didn't turn out the way I would have wanted. But I admired (admire?) them and looked up to them as examples. There are days when I say to myself: "I'm done with these guys, no more listening to their music", while there are other days when I'm still proud of them and revisit my favourite records and songs. On some other occasions I tell to myself that I shouldn't get this passionate about a band, not ever again. As with other things in life, only time will tell.

Well, as for what bands do, this one marched to its own drummer. They didn't tour their 2 most successful records so you can't fault them when they decide not to tour a record (especially when in all likelihood they already had decided to split.) I assume you're sore because you never had the chance to see them and I feel for you but they toured pretty consistently for 30 years so you can't blame them for the luck of the draw of being born when you were or discovering them when you did.

If it makes you feel better, I became a big Who fan in 1981, they did a farewell tour in 1982 that I wasn't allowed to go to and I thought I'd never see them. Turns out I've seen them so far 10 times. You never know. Keep listening and enjoy them. They were great live but probably not the best live band I've seen, theres others out there too. You're following a good one in Wilco.

 

 

I think he was pretty tanked during the filming of that number.

 

Led Zeppelin were suppose to play that show - but only Robert, John, and John Paul were there.

I was going to mention that, he was shit drunk, those were some dark days for pete, glad he got through.

Well if you are interested in the packaging and the vinyl listening experience the big set is certainly worth it. The session book is great, the packaging is tremendous and the vinyl sounds amazing. If you can deal with just getting the tunes, I'd go 2-disc version and search out an illegal download of the full boxset. I don't know if and where they are, after I bought the box at Best Buy Tuesday morning, I made it a point to stop looking for torrents just in case I had any buyer's remorse. But you know, I've been obsessed with this album for a better chunk of my life, there's even stuff on this I haven't heard in my boxes of bootlegs for this thing and it's never sounded better.

 

--Mike

To follow up on my earlier recommendation of this thing; if you have been at all obsessed with Smile, buy it. It is so nice to hear it without the tape hiss and the some of the bonus stuff is really cool. It actually isn't the same experience as the Pet Sounds box. On that, with sessions you could hear how the songs evolved in the studio until they got to the final take. With Smile, the thing was so modular and scattered that you don't get that experience. But having clean versions of all of it is a must and as I said, the packaging alone may be worth the price.

If anyone can point to a rip of the vinyl 45" of H&M pts 1 and 2, i'd be grateful, i don't have a working turntable.

I agree with your comment.

 

When I was watching that BBC interview yesterday, and when Michael Stipe said "it's over", I was angry, angry at these people because, as you have said, who knows what they'd be saying five years from now.

 

I was angry the day they split, they have disappointed me for the last time. And they just keep telling lies and going on with this masquerade, I used to believe they were the only authentic and honest band.

Why are you angry and why are you saying it's a masquerade? They made 15 1/2 records, have close to 250 officially released non album tracks and have God knows how many great sounding shows easily available. Out of those 15 1/2 records, imo, 14 1/2 are at least really good. What more do you want? They have become, through some fault of their own and just natural change, irrelevant in the pop music landscape. They could be (insert dinosaur act here) trotting the hits around the world in sheds and festivals every summer but they chose to go out on their own terms.

I just take things Stipe says with a grain of salt. He always said the band would break up if the 4 of them weren't together...he has also made some other album related and touring comments where he didn't follow through either. They weren't supposed to tour behind Up and they did a year long tour for that album!

I agree that they have said many things over the years that they ended up contradicting. I'm not sure why they are so adamant about never reuniting but maybe they are serious, who knows? I'd love to see them again but I am comfortable about the way they went out.

BTW, the UP tour was 3 months, not a year. They were supposed to tour UP but after the recording of it almost broke them up, the scrapped it. After doing the promo shows in Europe and having so much fun, they changed their minds and did the small tour the next summer, pretty amazing one IMO. One of the coolest stage sets I've seen.

 

For me, it's always been The Who. I like Led Zeppelin, but they are up there in the clouds somewhere - The Who were street level.

Me too. The Who were my first love, R.E.M. my second but they are equals in my eyes.

I like Led Zeppelin too but there is something that for me is repulsive about them. I think it's when Plant sings (screeches) in that high register. I just can't stand it. When they go acoustic, Thats The Way, Hey Hey What Can I Do?, Going to Cali etc, I like them, but Immigrant Song, Whole Lotta Love, just hate it.

Pete was once quoted and referred to Zep as that "Gross disgusting object that is Led Zeppelin." When I saw that quote in the Peel thing, it just cracked me up that he was still taking shots and telling the truth. Entwhistle probably would've preferred being in Zep.

Good vibrations

Some of it. Seeemd like a bunch of pseudo-coherent back patting followed by some old fashioned crap about how great record companies are. And a little too much talk about balls.

im not sure he was saying record companies were great, just that there is an opportunity for apple to fill a void that the labels used to fill as far as nurturing acts.

As for back patting, thats Pete, for better or worse. I think he was very coherent, and funny.