Sweet Papa Crimbo

My daughter related that she tried Haggis while she was in Scotland....she liked it.

Give or take a few years I would also say this about Springsteen and the Stones.

It may seem a bit counter-intuitive, but I give the 63 year old Springsteen a pass because there is so much genius of his that is STILL in the vaults.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfTpZYQmtTM#t=39

Almost every band/artist peaks in their mid-late 20s like baseball players.  Some exceptions, but the rule is still pretty solid.

Wrong on both accounts.

I couldn't care less if I never hear a Pink Floyd  Grateful Dead song again for as long as I live. I've never enjoyed them and I don't own a single track or album of theirs. The whole "get stoned and trip out on their music" thing has turned me off forever.

Soooo...we spend two years wiping out the Silence and they end up allied to the Doctor.

Galifrey is saved, but they can never return.

Not a lot of payoff for the emotional investment

Cornbread, totally, not trying to say Wilco ripped JTB off. And WM -- the melody, chord progression, even the song changes are almost identical. The lyrics to the JTB song aren't the same but the "sound" is certainly nearly identical to Sunken Treasure. 

To fully belabor the point...Unless Jeff  has a time machine, it is not possible for Jeff to have heard  this song when he was writing and recording Sunken Treasure. To really wail on the dead horse...2002 is six years after 1996.

Here's some real blasphemy for you...

Elvis Costello has managed to have a 36 year career based on his first four records...almost everything since 1980 has been spotty at best (some notable exceptions, but he has produced a lot of dross in the last 30 years...maybe even fair to call a lot of it crap)

Sometimes I can't help myself.

Usually there is such gold in his posts that I will probably remove him from ignore.

Besides, IGNORE is really un-democratic.

Folks that don't like the Grateful Dead and don't like Phish and don't like Dave Matthews Band know ABSOLUTE ZERO about them and are trying to look cool to other "cool" music fans

 

 

 

I actually like SOME Weezer songs now but when I first heard that Sweater Song I thought it was the absolute end of Rock music. I never could understand it or what was cool or even remotely good? It wasn't like it was a TMBG song or anything it was absolute unadulterated SHIT.

 

"If you want to destroy my sweater, pull this string as I walk away"

 

The Eagles are ten times better than that. I mean WTF??!!

 

Also My Morning Jacket is one of the greatest live bands on the planet.

 

I have plenty more BS where that came from

Sooo...the ONLY reason why somebody wouldn't like The Grateful Dead, Phish and the Dave Matthews Band is because we know ABSOLUTE ZERO about them and are trying to look cool to other "cool" music fans.

The Kelvin Scale of music appreciation.

It's the other way around.

Jets to Brazil sounds exactly like Wilco. Your post reads like you are saying Wilco is 'stealing' their sound from Jets to Brazil.

Perfecting Loneliness came out in 2002. Being There came out in 1996.

Interesting.

 

LouieB

Of course, I am usually much more crass than Lou.

Kiss > The Replacements

Not setting the bar  very high

Alice Cooper was inducted in 2011.

 

 

That's odd he comes up. I was watching a bunch of Alice Cooper videos yesterday. Probably another band I began listening to as a kid. Actually, one of my earliest memories is hearing School's Out on the radio (1972).

I was watching some Alice Coopers yesterday and today also. I think Steve Hunter played most of the leads on Billion Dollar Babies and the tour. Glen Buxton was a really tragic story.

Alice Cooper...discuss

Crow knows everything he needs to know about you then.

 

EDIT: Crow knows EVERYTHING he needs to know about you then.

Appreciation of hyperbole is a lost art amongst the deniens of this board.

And who would have ever thought that not liking KISS would be a capitol crime?

Not to derail the Replacements hagiography, but I want to rail on KISS.

When I was a teenager (the mid-1970's), I viewed these guys as a JOKE. There were bands that rocked better and harder and didn't have to rely on gimmicky makeup hoo hah. When I run into guys my age (53) who are fans of KISS, it tells me EVERYTHING I need to know about their teenage years.

However, there isn't much that is funnier than hearing 12-year olds singing along to a song about Anal Sex

I may have already posted it on here before, but Big Star is a seriously overrated band. I mean, don't get me wrong, they were decent, but the way indie music fans talk about them, you'd think they should have been as big as Pink Floyd or The Beatles or something.

It's a common problem. Bands that got lost or sodomized in the record industry dance in the 70's are often mythologized to the point that the hype overwhelms some really nice bands and records.

You know it is funny. I don't disagree with this. Sometimes the little bands that become cult favorites and then find a degree of main stream success, aren't as good as they appear in retrospect. This was interesting considering the comment under the Lou Reed thread wondering why Lou Reed's death was such a big deal since he and the Velvet Underground weren't big names. In point of fact VU and Lou Reed were big names, both at the time they were new and in the decades after. It was Alex Chilton who had major success with the Box Tops (remember them? I do!!) and then fell into cult status with Big Star and then into obscurity for his solo career, whereas Lou Reed actually charted songs with both the VU and as a solo artist and continued to produce high profile work most of his career (both good and bad, but whatever...)

 

I like Big Star, but their status now is way beyond both the actual songs they produced and to an extent the influence they provided to those of their time. I would have to say at this point lots of people point to them as influences, but long after REM and the Replacements already have claimed them as antecedents. So you can say Big Star influenced you, but mostly because they influenced REM and the Mats, both of whom achieved significant success.

 

LouieB

 

LouieB

i posted my response before I red Lou's . It is scary how often we are not only on the same page, but on the same paragraph.

I have actually been pretty surprised and gratified by the level of attention Lou Reed's death has gotten.  I guess I thought he was a bit more underground and obscure than he really was.

Lou was the right kind of obscure underground artist. He was intelligent and a damn good songwriter.

What that statement? ITs been around for a long time.

 

LouieB

I think it is attributable to Brian Eno.

I almost hate to admit it, but I'd never even heard of half of those bands (Minutemen, Husker Du, Replacements) until I started frequenting this board years ago. I did go back and check a bunch of them out, and was pretty much underwhelmed. Interesting that some of them influenced Jeff Tweedy, but he has far surpassed them in my opinion.

 

I mean, The Replacements covered Black Diamond by Kiss and it wasn't even as good as the original. So does that mean Kiss really sucks or not? I mean, if you can't do better than Kiss....

 

Maybe I should have posted this in the Musical Blasphemy thread instead.

Dude, you are a brave and righteously truthful man. Even I am not blasphemous enough to slam  the Minutemen and Husker Du (even though you could probably seen the ? forming over my head when I gave them a listen).

Everything is bigger in Texas except for the size of the dick on whoever wrote that article.

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Great quote in the comments section on the Rolling Stone site:

"Gene Simmons is the Donald Trump of rock." 

I disagree...Donald Trump is MUCH more sincere.

Agreed (although sloppy drunk live performances can be quite good sometimes).  Sure, they have some good songs, but so do many, many other bands that don't get 1/1000 the notoritety The Replacements get.   It's baffling, really.  Let's face it, if "the Mats" were the exact same band, but they were from Florida, nobody would give a shit about them.

Exactly what I was intending to say (being a bit too circumspect).

The emperor has no clothes here.

Records that sell a lot and get really popular aren't always pandering to the lowest common denominator.

Successful music and successful bands aren't always shit.

No mats. Shocker.

When you spend your entire recording and performing career drunk off you asses and extending your middle finger to you audience (sloppy drunk live performances aren't cool)...the legend is greater than the actuality.

Surprised at Cat Stevens getting in over Yes or DP or NWA and Hall and Oates is a bit of a surprise....all deserving this year.

 

Be intersting to see the Nirvana performance and Cat and if Linda will show.  Early rumnlings that Grohl is not going to show...I seriously doubt that.

 

Glad to see E Street...should have included the Wailers too (bet next year for them).

I can't wait for Nirvana's induction...I'm sure Courtney will make it ALL about her.

I used to live in San Antonio.  I can find positive things pretty much anywhere.  

 

The good: Central Market, breakfast tacos, Beto's, the King William district, a good bit of diversity, my kids were born there, access roads.  

 

The bad: The politics, the racism, I didn't go to UT or A&M so there were a huge percentage of the population that I was invisible to, the people who go on and on about how great Texas is without there being anything to back that up, every piece of brisket I've ever had was dry, the people as a whole are not nearly as friendly as the stereotype, subdivisions and big box stores.

 

I was happy with the opportunity to move to New England.

So you moved to New England to get away from racism...