lost highway Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 On the preorder info for SBS it says Jim Scott mixed SBS. Didn't we all think O'Rourke came around to do it....or did that rumour die when I was in the bathroom? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 Jim Scott ruins records. Edit: Actually, I think he's kind of a big deal. Like Grammy nominations and shit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TCP Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 What?! O'Rourke is like their George Martin. Booo-urns! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tongue-tied Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 That's a shame. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WaronWar Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 I am sort of mad that O'Rourke did not do it, but I think he is busy with his japanesse art films or something like that. But Jim Scott did mix "Kicking Television," "Summerteeth," and part of "Being There," and he has done nice job. However, I still love O'Rourke. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 But Jim Scott did mix "Kicking Television," "Summerteeth," and part of "Being There," and he has done nice job. However, I still love O'Rourke. And many other things. We'll see what the final mix sounds like I guess. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TCP Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 Ugh, we've heard the final mix. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 Well, unlike some of you, it appears I hadn't heard it until tonight, and I love it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheMaker Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 I'll second that. There's more colour and depth to this than the flat towel-around-your-head production of AGIB. The two styles aren't exactly miles apart, but I had the new leak cranked earlier tonight, and it sounded like the band was in the room with me, playing the songs. Conversely, AGIB sounds like the band is made out of cardboard, playing cardboard instruments inside of a bucket. Bye, Jim! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Basil II Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 I'll second that. There's more colour and depth to this than the flat towel-around-your-head production of AGIB. The two styles aren't exactly miles apart, but I had the new leak cranked earlier tonight, and it sounded like the band was in the room with me, playing the songs. Conversely, AGIB sounds like the band is made out of cardboard, playing cardboard instruments inside of a bucket. Bye, Jim! I concur!!! A hearty good bye to J. O' Rourke!! -robert. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest tandylacker Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 Both AGIB and YHF's sound, to me at least, was 'constricted'. Maybe theMaker is right, coming from a cardboard box. AGIB was mixed alot better than YHF. But YHF didn't have the sound level variation problems that AGIB had. They both had their problems. I didn't really think they should stick with the same ol' same ol'. I'm glad this other guy is back. From the Summerteeth, Being There era... Good times. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Basil II Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 I'm glad this other guy is back. From the Summerteeth, Being There era... Good times. Jeff's vocals on those two albums seem to me up front a bit in the mix.....becoming an instrument unto it self.... -Robert. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest tandylacker Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 https://www.platinumsamples.com/JimScottBio.html Hey this guy is good. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jules Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 Jeff's vocals on those two albums seem to me up front a bit in the mix.....becoming an instrument unto it self....-Robert. similar to SBS, no? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Basil II Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 similar to SBS, no? I'm hoping so.......I'm an SBS virgin...... -Robert. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tongue-tied Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 first, O'Rourke couldn't really change the quality of the sound of YHF that much by mixing it, he could screw up the levels, but make it sound like cardboard? for piecing the album together, i think he deserves as much credit as any bandmember for what a great album that is. second, I suppose it comes down to opinion, but aside for heavily favoring the songs on AGIB, I think it's one of the best sounding records. If you turn it up loud and don't get scared when the guitars come in much louder, it's incredibly dynamic and exciting. third, I haven't listened to Sky Blue Sky except for What Light, and while I think the band sounds great, I think they're buried by Tweedy's vocals. To exagerrate my opinion, it's like I'm not hearing the final song as much as it's like I'm in the loft listening to Tweedy doing a vocal take while I can hear some of the backing music coming out of his headphones. That's a little much, I seriously want to listen to the band, but if I play it any louder, I think people down the street will could report to me the lyrics word for word. I'm hoping it's an mp3 thing, and the LP/CD will be better. this has been a defense by a Jim-O fan. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WaronWar Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 this has been a defense by a Jim-O fan. Yes, I agree, but I still enjoy Jim Scott and what he did on the previous albums. But I have only listened to the SBS twice, so I really can't make a comment because I only remember bits and pieces since my short term memory is horrible. But yeah, as Tweedy, Kotche, Stirriat, and Leroy mentioned O'Rourke help make YHF what it is especially "I Am Trying To Break Your Heart." And with "A Ghost Is Born" sound, I love it. I feel like I hear the songs actually breath life because its not cluttered full of noise, which might I add that clutters of noise is awesome. Basically, Wilco changes the quality sound, music, band members, and anything you can damn thing every album: I guess that's my point and that O'Rourke rocks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheMaker Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 For the record, my criticism of O'Rourke is limited only to his contributions to AGIB (and a couple of his solo records that I don't appreciate). I think YHF, like SBS, BT and Summerteeth, is a perfect sounding album. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CalebMac Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 I think Jim O'Rourke is extremely talented, and in my opinion did a beautiful job mixing YHF and AGIB, not to mention his playing on AGIB. And to say that YHF and AGIB lacked color and depth is in my opinion absurd. The Jim Scott mixes seem to be a little more upfront, much more like a live mix. O'Rourke's style is more subtle, there's a lot going on sonically but you have to really focus and open your ears to take it all in. Not that I have a problem with Jim Scott's mixes, I think he did a great job with "Kicking Television" and with "Summerteeth" which must have been particularly hard to mix considering how wild Jeff and Jay went with overdubs and layering on that record. I just don't really agree with some of the things said about O'Rourke, I think he's the man. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Somnambulist Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 As long as the first note of Sky Blue Sky doesn't blast me away like the first note of Summerteeth does, I'm fine with Jim Scott. Whatever CD I had on before Summerteeth, the first notes of Can't Stand It always seem to be much louder than whatever I was listening to before. Maybe it's just me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nicburto Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 Same thing happens when I listen to summerteeth as well. It's just mastered loud Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sean Patrick Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 yhf was recorded at the loft and a crc, right? one, an amature studio and the other an actual one.agib was recorded at sear sound. one of the best studios in the world.listen to a nice analogue recording of agib on a nice system and have your mind blown.analogue=best. digital = crap. always. it will never reach the natural sounding-ness of analogue.maybe way in the future..... im kind of dissapointed about the' jim being gone.he seems like a cool guy. he is a musician himself, which always helps i think. also he added little things here and there, like piano and guitar, which i thought was great. i hope jim is having fun with japanese cinema and listening to "in bern" on repeat. (like i am) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tongue-tied Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 yhf was recorded at the loft and a crc, right? one, an amature studio and the other an actual one.agib was recorded at sear sound. one of the best studios in the world.listen to a nice analogue recording of agib on a nice system and have your mind blown.analogue=best. digital = crap. always. it will never reach the natural sounding-ness of analogue. that doesn't seem like a fair assessment to me, there have been beautiful sounding albums that have been recorded digitally and a lot of analogue recordings that sound awful. obviously AGIB is a strong advertisement for analogue, recorded at one of the few places left devoted to that medium. and while digital hasn't yet reached the height its potential as analogue has (probably) already done, i think it's wrong to assume that moving rust around on tape is THE right way to record and recreate sound. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
willywoody Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 yhf and agib are pretty well thought of on audiophile forums. i use agib when i'm audtioning new equipment or trying out a tweek on my hi-fi. i've also had a guitarist/sound board guy marvel at how well it was recorded and he doesn't care for wilco. (blasphemy i know) the reason summerteeth sounds so loud is compression i imagine. hopefully, that was from the label wanting a "hit" and not from the band wanting the compression. jeff seems to value analog recording and each succesive recording has sounded better than the previous so hopefully that bodes well. sbs sounds pretty dynamic on the stream so hopefully it should sound even better when officially released. on another note, there's a rumour that the vinyl release is being copied from the digital master and not an anolog master. anyone with any insight into the vinyl release? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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